Trent Alexander-Arnold

[Rafa Justice]

Wow, Trent now getting bashed for games he doesn’t even play in - where does this extreme dislike for the lad stem from?

Wouldn't say it's an extreme dislike at all, more of a malaise now the rose tinted glasses have been removed. The club/Klopp have supported him and defended him hugely in the face of legitimate criticism of his defensive frailties/loss of concentration, whichever you want to call it. If he's looking like doing McManaman I'd rather the club pull an Owen.

I personally think he'll want a huge contract based on mostly reputation and not form. The club has not refreshed individual squad members often enough in the last few years so if he's not wanting to sign a contract in front of him, sell him for a price if possible. If he wants to be a c*** about it and sit around to bank more money then f*** him, bench him and let Bradley continue his progression and bring through the next in line, Trent can play Carabao and be sub.

If you aren't fully committed to the club, say goodbye.

[RichC]

Wouldn't say it's an extreme dislike at all, more of a malaise now the rose tinted glasses have been removed. The club/Klopp have supported him and defended him hugely in the face of legitimate criticism of his defensive frailties/loss of concentration, whichever you want to call it. If he's looking like doing McManaman I'd rather the club pull an Owen.

I personally think he'll want a huge contract based on mostly reputation and not form. The club has not refreshed individual squad members often enough in the last few years so if he's not wanting to sign a contract in front of him, sell him for a price if possible. If he wants to be a c*** about it and sit around to bank more money then f*** him, bench him and let Bradley continue his progression and bring through the next in line, Trent can play Carabao and be sub.

If you aren't fully committed to the club, say goodbye.

Where is there any evidence this is the case ?

[Rafa Justice]

Where is there any evidence this is the case ?

I said 'if'.

[RichC]

It's projecting that he could behave like that based on nothing. Strange stance to take

[Doc_Piptorious]

I heard TAA pissed against the Shankly Gates and took a **** on the dance floor in Mansion whilst shouting Forza Real Madrid.


Also heard that RichC has been running down his mod contract and having talks on the sly with RAWK.

[dom9]

Wait, are we like seriously discussing releasing our home grown, freakishly creative, vice captain?

So it seems.

I never ceases to amaze me how some people on this place just seemingly salivate at the prospect of our players having a perceived dip in form or injury so they can put the boot in. It's quite remarkable.

Trent, Salah, Robbo seem to be this year's targets. Gakpo on the fringe.

[Exiled_red]

I'm not saying that we should sell him,Ihave constantly acknowledged that he is one of our best players. Question is what position does he play. In our current setup regular RB seems tried and tested. But he either doesn't seem to want to play there or is no longer as effective there. Next best option is to stick with the hybrid role but will a new manager want to do that? I don't see what role he plays in the current side when everyone is fit, without the hybrid role. My view is that he's a Xabi Alonso deep lying playmaker, but he would need a proper #6 next to him, which means we can only play with one #8.

Now obviously the we don't know what the new manager will want to do, maybe TAA will fit his system perfectly but, I am not sure that is the case. As good a player as he is if he doesn't fit the system, that is a headache for the manager. And if that is the case then he is a saleable asset, who would allow the manager to being in a few new faces. It's not what i want to happen but it seems a plausible scenario.

[Paul12]

I agree with those saying that it looks like Trent's days as a Liverpool right-back might be over, but (1) he strikes me as the sort of person who is prepared to work hard to address weaknesses and (2) I don't believe he thinks he is already a complete midfielder. The issue is whether, as a team competing for honours, we can afford to give him the game time in the short-term to develop his midfielder skills. And, if we can't, will he be willing to extend this summer?

[Norbs]

That's a bit of a weird one as he'd obviously not sign elsewhere to be a right back if he doesn't want to play that position, and so anywhere he plays he'll need an employer who has faith that he can make that transition. No better to know that than Liverpool

[BG1973]

It's interesting to see how Bradley develops, it's too small a sample size as yet to see if he is the answer to who's the future in that role. He had looked outstanding there though which must give us food for thought. Trent is incredibly talented but he also has lost a yard and isn't a great defender. Ideally sign a new contract, so if Bradley is the real deal, at least we'll get big money for Trent if he leaves.

Trent has lost a yard? Based on what?

[RedReet]

Think the difference would be that Bradley's game would change when targeted (as we saw it did and as it did in other games when he was targeted and then he would drop a bit deeper to counter it) whereas we have seen this season and last season that TAA stays up in a more advanced position even after being targeted.


Think the biggest issue with TAA playing in the inverted role is his positional play. He just seems to have stopped reading the game well when the other team has the ball and gets caught out of position a lot as a result.

And it is not something I think was always a flaw in him as when he was playing as an attacking RB that would go forward down the right flank he looked more like Bradley does now just with a far greater offensive output.

I have never bought into TAA being a poor defender as he showed many many times as a RB that was simply untrue, but as a midfielder I think his positional/spatial awareness is poor and the more disciplined side of that position does not suit his skillset/style of play.


For me it is pretty simple when it comes to TAA. As an attacking RB he is world class. As a playmaking midfielder he is decent to good but not top class as he has as many games where he looks bang average in the role as he does ones where he looks really good.


He was a bit of a stat unicorn when used as an attacking RB, that changed when he inverted last season and again this season. His stats used to be slightly better than Hakimi as an attacking RB, now whilst Hakimi's are still in unicorn mode, TAA's have dropped off in a number of metrics.

Not sure I agree Doc.

One, if Trent is supposed to be dropping deeper and just not doing it, there is no way Klopp would stand for it.

Two, before Trent got injured and was really growing into the inverted role, a lot of better performances came when he dropped a bit deeper, playing as much RCB as RCM. There was also a couple of games were he stayed wider, more as a traditional FB.

For me, it showed he was evolving his game, reacting and adapting during games.


Anyway, we've had similar conversations before, my point this time is that if Trent played the exact same way as Bradley did in that match and everything went the exact same way, he'd have got slaughtered by some for his performance and there is no way analysis would be focusing on him adapting his game and improving.

Only just watched MOTD there and not even sure I agree with Murray. Yes, Bradley did improve, but so to did Quansah, Endo, MacAllister and Mo, making it easier to defend as a team and not allowing Brighton to attack as much because all of our chances were coming down that left side of theirs.

[danperkins]

He is poor defensively as a midfielder, but as an attacking (not inverted) right back he was not poor defensively imo.

An odd time he would get caught out of position when in his old role but that is something that happens to every attacking full back.

What he was in his old role he was good defensively and great offensively.

Bradley might go the other way I suspect in the RB role. Good offensively but potentially excellent defensively. I could even see Bradley in the future develop into an attacking RB that plays in a manner similar to Frimpong at Leverkusen or with a few tweaks similar to Hakimi.

It's an absolutely brutal role to play under Klopp in fairness & would burn most players out, Robbo suffering similar on the other side. Unfortunately Trent doesn't have the legs for that role anymore, we can see the difference in energy and pace that Bradley provides & he does seem strong with both aspects of the role but again it is a small sample size. I much preferred Trent playing his old position but he was getting caught too much & his legs wouldn't allow him to by to the byline anymore and deliver those balls in. He is still an incredibly talented guy though and has one of the cleanest strikes of a football I've ever seen.

[Norbs]

If this is what happens longer term to Klopp full backs then there must be comparisons to his previous clubs

[Rafa Justice]

It's projecting that he could behave like that based on nothing. Strange stance to take

Not really, he's making the same noises we've heard before from players that want to eek as much money out of the club as they can.

Not interested in any replies so save your energy.

[dom9]

Not really, he's making the same noises we've heard before from players that want to eek as much money out of the club as they can.

Not interested in any replies so save your energy.

Why are you posting?