Trent Alexander-Arnold

[Doc_Piptorious]

Interesting, on the basis of this, would you offer him 300K a week?

No.


My reasoning for that is the same as it was at the start of the season and that a 300k a week wage (in fact anything above 250k ) at a club like Liverpool FC should mean you are the best or one of the best performers at the club more or less week in week out season after season.



For me we have three guys at the club who are that.

Salah
VVD
Alisson ( I know he is not meant to be on 300k and is supposedly on about 200k but I digress)


Those three just turn up and get it done game after game. Big performances and/or big returns. The genuine slumps in form and/or return are few and short.


TAA on the other hand is now two years into giving performances that, over the course of a season, fall a level or two below what those three give. Imo as usual.


We have a one or two others in the team that look like that might be reaching the level where they are a 7 or 8 out of 10 most weeks and might be ready to join the three I named as the "dependable top tier guys"


MacAllister in particular on that score.







Just a little caveat, when I say a wage figure, I am talking the basic wage and not including various bonuses that add to the wage total per player.

[DerKrampus]

Someone needs to tell Bradley that it's ok to shoot rather than pass when through on goal.

[The_weatherman]

You could make that arguement and it does hold some water, however his long range passing tends to have a completion rate of under 50% over the course of a season (which given how lauded he is for that aspect of his game is low imo).

His medium range passing tends to never get to 80% either.


To use a PL comparison that I already did.

Pedro Porro tends to match TAA for long range passing, medium range and short range. Very similar accuaracy rates and very similar in terms of where he tries to play his passes into.

TAA does attempt more long passes, but that accuracy side of things stays very close to that of Porro across the board.


TAA this season attempted far less through balls and switch balls (the long cross field passes that travel 40 yards or more) so he attempted less by way of the higher risk passes yet his passing accuracy did not rise at all.

The switch passes for example. He made over a 100 of them during the 2019/20 season. He has made 31 to date this season. So as said, less high risk passes, but no real improvement on his long range accuracy.


None of that makes him even close to being a bad player or a bad right back or whatever, but what it does make him, imo of course, is closer to the level of the other better full backs in the league the past two seasons rather than being the stand out guy who needs to be paid the wages of a world class performer.

Interesting, on the basis of this, would you offer him 300K a week?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Could Trent’s low percentage be because of the types of passes he attempts and is likely given license to attempt. Not many fullbacks can make those big diagonals or rip it down the line to get Mo away. He’s not really been a normal fullback for a few seasons now. It’s part of the risk reward with him.

If he does go it will be interesting to see what the approach will be and how the balance of the team looks if they go with the more traditional style of fullback again.

You could make that arguement and it does hold some water, however his long range passing tends to have a completion rate of under 50% over the course of a season (which given how lauded he is for that aspect of his game is low imo).

His medium range passing tends to never get to 80% either.


To use a PL comparison that I already did.

Pedro Porro tends to match TAA for long range passing, medium range and short range. Very similar accuaracy rates and very similar in terms of where he tries to play his passes into.

TAA does attempt more long passes, but that accuracy side of things stays very close to that of Porro across the board.


TAA this season attempted far less through balls and switch balls (the long cross field passes that travel 40 yards or more) so he attempted less by way of the higher risk passes yet his passing accuracy did not rise at all.

The switch passes for example. He made over a 100 of them during the 2019/20 season. He has made 31 to date this season. So as said, less high risk passes, but no real improvement on his long range accuracy.


None of that makes him even close to being a bad player or a bad right back or whatever, but what it does make him, imo of course, is closer to the level of the other better full backs in the league the past two seasons rather than being the stand out guy who needs to be paid the wages of a world class performer.

[The_weatherman]

He's off, he's been maneuvering this exit for a long time. Don't get your hopes up. He just needs to say it after we clinch the title, and I tend to agree with Carra as well, I'd like to get Bradley up to speed and not play someone who doesn't want to be here.

I think it will be very interesting to see the team with two high energy full backs, Bradley and Kerkez (or someone similar) bombing up and down.

[labourRed]

Been getting some criticism about his body fat levels...

I'd happily swap!

I did notice that myself, he is just coming back from injury to be fair.

[Yozza]

Been getting some criticism about his body fat levels...

I'd happily swap!

[frank the tank]

The problem for me is he has gotten worse at defending (or feels like it) at the same time his attacking stats have dropped off too. The question is, has he stopped putting the effort in? I feel like we can do better at RB, but that does take away the other things he does add, being our only real eye for a forward pass (other than Elliott, who slot aint a fan of).

A traditional RB and a playmaker in Nunez' position would make sense. Id have loved Trent from 5 years ago though

When he had Fabinho, Henderson and one of Wjinaldum or Milner in front of him in midfield, it was probably easier to defend. The lack of creativity in midfield allowed our full backs and wide players to be very very creative. For someone like Trent or Robertson, having the likes of Virgil and Konate or Matip covering in defense with that solid as **** midfield and with hard working wide players like Mane and Mo up top, that must have been so much easier for them.

I do believe that Robertson needs to be supplemented with a better left back than Tsimikas. One who will go to be our number 1 left back. And I also think that paying a right back shed loads of money might not make sense (it will probably prevent us from buying other players).

But it's also surely no coincidence that Trent and Robbo have "gone to ****" from a defensive point of view as soon as the previous midfield broke up.

[rudedog]

It's not just the direct assists with Trent though.

It's how his elite passing is the platform for our build up.

He's a really unique profile, we won't find another right back who does that, even if they do get comparable goals and assists.

He's our playmaker, we're going to need to replace that aspect somewhere else in the team.

Yeah, bit similar to how Alonso was for us - he had a fairly low assist percentage but played some unreal passes out from within our half.

[peterbread]

Could Trent’s low percentage be because of the types of passes he attempts and is likely given license to attempt. Not many fullbacks can make those big diagonals or rip it down the line to get Mo away. He’s not really been a normal fullback for a few seasons now. It’s part of the risk reward with him.

If he does go it will be interesting to see what the approach will be and how the balance of the team looks if they go with the more traditional style of fullback again.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Thank you squire. Hope the weekend was a good one

It was really good, thanks

[SB]

Some of them, like Daniel Munoz and Robinson , have good defensive numbers and stats whilst also having good attacking ones. That's not me suggesting getting them, but more a case of how some players do not see a drop off going one way when they are good going the other.


What did catch my eye was that the player from that list of players (including TAA) that has the lowest pass completion numbers for the season so far is TAA. Now it is not by a lot compared to a few of the other players but he still comes last.


TAA has a pass completion rate of 74.6% which when compared to all the other full backs in the PL puts him in the bottom 25% in the league for completing passes.


Who profiles very closely to TAA this season in the PL is Pedro Porro. In attacking and defensive numbers though Porro does make more blocks and clearances.

I was trying to not include full backs from other leagues as to just look at full backs who week in and week out would be playing against the same teams TAA does.

Thank you squire. Hope the weekend was a good one

[SB]

Teams targeted Trent as when they pin him back they take away his ability to get forward which has been a big part of his & our attacking game.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Thanks for the research & you never know how those other players would go unless we signed them. The pressure & expectation of playing for us is huge & crushes some players , Nunez being a prime example. I wonder what those same players defensive numbers stack up like ?

Some of them, like Daniel Munoz and Robinson , have good defensive numbers and stats whilst also having good attacking ones. That's not me suggesting getting them, but more a case of how some players do not see a drop off going one way when they are good going the other.


What did catch my eye was that the player from that list of players (including TAA) that has the lowest pass completion numbers for the season so far is TAA. Now it is not by a lot compared to a few of the other players but he still comes last.


TAA has a pass completion rate of 74.6% which when compared to all the other full backs in the PL puts him in the bottom 25% in the league for completing passes.


Who profiles very closely to TAA this season in the PL is Pedro Porro. In attacking and defensive numbers though Porro does make more blocks and clearances.

I was trying to not include full backs from other leagues as to just look at full backs who week in and week out would be playing against the same teams TAA does.

[Mark79]

No he isnt that good. Theres a reason 99% of teams always attack us mostly down our right.

1st half of the season, teams were targeting our left.

Its evened out since to the point were there's very little in it.