Racism in Football

[Craig_H]

Well yes, but I don't think the court of publib opinion is entirely irrelevant and generally speaking I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to be able to justify their opinions to some small degree

Well of course, yeah. But there's a middle ground/grey area here in which i know you know where i was coming from

[Red_Polo]

Well of course, yeah. But there's a middle ground/grey area here in which i know you know where i was coming from

I can see there's a difference, of course. I just don't think we should allow something so fundamentally important to fall between the cracks by opening up this whopping great grey area.

[Craig_H]

In the context of mates chatting in a pub having a laugh or posting on here, i'll say i pretty much know he's guilty. In a court of law or where there's serious ramifications, of course i would never advocate someone facing the reaper cushions involved without guilt being actually proved.

[Red_Polo]

Well yeah, that's fine, but we're talking about what you think the FA should do which is entirely different.

[Craig_H]

Well yeah, that's fine, but we're talking about what you think the FA should do which is entirely different.

As we saw with the Suarez thing, what the FA do bares very little resemblance to what happens in the legal process. "balance of probability vs proof beyond reasonable doubt" etc.

[Craig_H]

And for the record, i didnt even initially mention the FA

[Red_Polo]

As we saw with the Suarez thing, what the FA do bares very little resemblance to what happens in the legal process. "balance of probability vs proof beyond reasonable doubt" etc.

Balance of probability was a poor example as it is commonly used in legal process. I do agree about the FA in general though. That doesn't change what I want them to do or what I think it's right for them to do.

And for the record, i didnt even initially mention the FA

Then it wasn't a particularly valid response to my post was it?

[Craig_H]

Goes without saying, if he's guilty, i hope they find him guilty and if he's innocent i hope they find him not guilty. I just happen to think he is guilty, based on footage which strongly appears to show him saying what he was alleged to have said.

[Red_Polo]

Well I don't disagree with any of that and never have.

[Craig_H]

[Vermilion]

hahaha @ Terry's nose. again.

It's probably because it's not that big that i didn't notice it before, hahaha. Hideous!

The in profile slo mo really does it justice too.

[Phoenix07]

hahaha @ Terry's nose. again.

It's probably because it's not that big that i didn't notice it before, hahaha. Hideous!

The in profile slo mo really does it justice too.

How can you laugh at his nose when he has a bog brush of a haircut attached to his head?

[Vermilion]

How can you laugh at his nose when he has a bog brush of a haircut attached to his head?

It's horrible. But i agree the overall picture isn't good either...bog brush hair included.

[JHP]

Seen a lot of people point out the hypocrisy of those criticising us for the t-shirts whilst also wanting Terry to remain England captain. Couldn't agree more, complete hypocrisy. However, by the same token if anyone thinks the t-shirts were ok can they really rightfully clamour for Terry to lose the captaincy at this stage?

I agree my issue is with the double standards and hypocrisy including anti racist groups fronted by Ouseley and Powar (not sure that's the correct spelling). But agree Terry is innocent until proven otherwise.

But whether or not he is found guilty he will be assessed against different criteria to Suarez and that can't be right. I don't understand whether hacks don't see this or are afraid to be seen to be off message.

[RichC]

has he admitted to using the words ? Chelsea mate seems to think he said blind c*nt not black.

Pretty sure he has admitted to saying it but in the context of I'd never call you a ......