Not liking the reports coming out from Athens

[brikkis]

I'm sure you have seen snippets on tv to.

I didn't think there was any of this **** going on. That is disgraceful - ****ing ******s

[Revo]

too right - football matches should be the sole preserve of ticketless 16-30 year old men with a ****-you attitude and the fists/feet to go with it...

wrong again, if you think its limited to 16/30 year olds who want to fight you are dilusional

[disco]

**** that lad.

how can a few lads bunking in as a threat to fans safety be compared to the way uefa have organised this. THEY are the threat to fans safety. THEY are the scum.

a few lads bunking in are just a few lads desperate to see their team because the only way they can get in is to pay a grand to the tout that ****ing UEFA have given a ticket to in the first place.

if you give a **** about fans safety look far higher up the food chain.

seats or no ****ing seats, i guarantee you another hillsborough WILL happen sooner or later if this is how it carries on.

and it'll be a well supported club who it will happen to again.

i'm well pissed off with this.

Yes, I'm sure we can all chuckle and the inventiveness of a few scallies finding a way in - whole different story if it's hundreds or even thousands of people.

I'm just finding it very difficult to blame UEFA for people's actions. The situation's ****, but you don't make it ****ing worse. And anyone who got in last night without a ticket, leading to fans with tickets not getting in, is no ****ing better than someone who snatched a ****ing ticket.

Tell me how it's different, other than the physical contact with the person you are spoiling it for?

[CJ]

lets all bow are heads in appreciation of the big man Scousertommy.

We are all proud of you, your attitude and the fact your a liverpool supporter

and of course because you go to games it makes everything you do ok!!!

well done!!!

[badpiggy]

wrong again, if you think its limited to 16/30 year olds who want to fight you are dilusional

take out the age profile and the point remains the same

[Guest]

well i wouldn't object to that to be honest but i tell you what, it'd lead to an empty stadium because the corporate ******s dont want to go. and they get all the tickets.

maybe thats the first step then. glastonbury have managed it.

maybe we need an empty stadium for them to get this mess sorted out, instead of feeding the black market, waiting for fans to kick off and then piously pointing the finger.

Corporate ******s or not this thing has been going on for years and it's an accepted state of affairs.

RFID chip or not, there would still be scums going to these venues without tickets either to cause mayhem or to try to force their way in one way or the other.

[Revo]

how do you know that the people that did get in dident have forged tickets and bought them unaware

[alunevans]

Yes, I'm sure we can all chuckle and the inventiveness of a few scallies finding a way in - whole different story if it's hundreds or even thousands of people.

I'm just finding it very difficult to blame UEFA for people's actions. The situation's ****, but you don't make it ****ing worse. And anyone who got in last night without a ticket, leading to fans with tickets not getting in, is no ****ing better than someone who snatched a ****ing ticket.

Tell me how it's different, other than the physical contact with the person you are spoiling it for?

i'm pretty certain that the bulk of the people who were in other people's seats were people who unwitting bought a forgery.

i doubt it was thousands literally bunking in. if thats your claim then i'd like to see the evidence.

if there is no evidence then the only way the stadium could be "full" is if people had gotten in with forgeries.

given that forgeries were reportedly highly difficult to spot due to the crappy production value of the real tickets, then i'm not going to blame those fans who spent £600 to unwittingly sit in someone else's seat.

i think you're looking at the peripheral issues and not the main ones.

the stadium was not full due to people literally bunking in, unless you can demonstrate that.

[Revo]

lets all bow are heads in appreciation of the big man Scousertommy.

We are all proud of you, your attitude and the fact your a liverpool supporter

and of course because you go to games it makes everything you do ok!!!

well done!!!

pathetic

[Guest]

you know what fredo if you actually ever got off your arse and went to a game you might just and i mean just figure out what its all about mate

I will never get off my arse going to games such as this, with luminaries such as yourself mate.

And it doesn't make me an inferior LFC supporter than you. :whatever:

[The incredible igor]

Without knowing all the facts at the moment I'd have to place the blame for what happened at the stadium, in decending order, on UEFA, the greek organisers, a very small minority of Liverpool fans.
UEFA should take a long hard look at their ticket allocating process and on producing tickets that are of the highest quality to reduce/eliminate forgeries.
The greek organisers should have aticipated the ammount of fans that would show up and have alot more checks to prevent fans having to congregate around check points and coralling them through narrow access points.
Those who stole tickets are not fans. Those you got in without a ticket are not fans. Those who knowingly bought a forgery are not fans. All of these should have been stopped by the police/check points.

[badpiggy]

pathetic

come on - you're being totally undone by the idea that it's fine to show up at matches without a ticket and force your way in somehow

[Craig_H]

:whatever: end of

Bollocks mate, why's it end of?

"It's been happening for ages and will keep happening" doesnt make it right.

When people get in by bunking through, an obvious consequence is overcrowding and potentially a crush.

And yet, they still do it. Care a lot about their fellow fans, dont they?

Fecking ****s IMO.

And i couldnt give a sh*t what you think of that or what smiley you use to abuse me. If you're suggesting that it's ok to potentially cause that kind of danger to fellow fans, then that's very sad.

[CJ]

lets put it this way

if apple launch a new gadget tomorrow. its the future everyone wants it. they can only have 1000 available at hte end of the week. millions of people want them. it is launched huge queues at the shop the first 1000 in the queue get the gadget. millions dissapointed.

now if people start stealing them off the lucky 1000 who is responsible Apple or the thieves

It would really dissapoint me if it is not the thiefs fault cause if it is then we are saying it is ok to steal something becasue you want one and other people have one and i cant get it any more.

[alunevans]

Corporate ******s or not this thing has been going on for years and it's an accepted state of affairs.

RFID chip or not, there would still be scums going to these venues without tickets either to cause mayhem or to try to force their way in one way or the other.

yet they weren't to be seen in istanbul