fans in buy out sensation!!

[el matador]

So are you proposing 15 thousand lads putting in 35 grand each? Less likely IMO

i think it will be more likely that 20% of the total number of share holders will account for around 80% of the total value of the issued shares.

so it will be something like 20,000 shareholders will account for £400m

its just a guess but i would be surprised if it didnt go along those lines.

[calvoboy]

Having been a socio of FC Barcelona, I can tell you there are certain grades of socio. The lowest bog standard one which I had was a discount on tickets and early ability to purchase tickets. For that it costs €150 a year. I took this out solely to get a ticket to last year's FC Barcelona vs Liverpool at Camp Nou while I was living in Barcelona. I used it as well to buy tickets to a few La Liga and cup games there too. The grades go up through different season ticket levels also. So 100k or more can quite easily be socios of Liverpool FC, just only a certain amount of them would have a season ticket also.

Thanks, that's interesting. I hadn't realised there were different categories of membership.

As I've said, I'll await the details of our scheme with interest (is it today they are being revealed?). I'd love it to work. Socialism in action, and clubs owned by football people - Shankly would be proud.

[Morph]

i wonder if moores would jump back in, with his 80 mil or whatever it was he could be right back in there, okay so he hasn't a clue about business but it might make him feel better about himself if he could put up 1/5th of the money needed, and leave the running of the club to the people who know about business

also if parry was somehow involved in all of this i'm sure a lot of opinions on him would change

[Roboklopp]

It is a lovely idea, but I just cannot see the feesibility in it.

Maybe when Moores was in charge & we didnt have the club's purchases to payy off as well as the stadium, but sadly that just isnt the case any more.

Also Barca have a much bigger stadium than us & sell their telly rights individually.

Most people just cannot afford that kinda money. I'm not badly off, but £1k is as mcuh as I could stretch to & I'm sure others even less. That being said, the grades of socio as measured in the post above is very interesting.

Still, I'd much rather be discussing something like this than the rest of the negative stuff on the board. Pipe dream or not, it's like a breath of fresh air.

[Roboklopp]

Oh yeah, & the big issue is getting them septics to sell in the 1st place

[zimbo]

Thanks, that's interesting. I hadn't realised there were different categories of membership.

As I've said, I'll await the details of our scheme with interest (is it today they are being revealed?). I'd love it to work. Socialism in action, and clubs owned by football people - Shankly would be proud.

But isn't there already a 'People's Club'* in Liverpool?











*assuming of course that the 'people' in question are drooling, one-eyed hunchbacks.

[MattB]

Too true that

One thing that struck me is that there is no way on earth that £500m is enough to buy the club and build a stadium. Wonder if they have heavyweight partners/investors on board, or at least someone with access to cheap credit

[Roboklopp]

So who are these 6 member owned clubs who've won the CL in recent years?

I know Barca is one.

Real?
Bayern?

Dunno, good question.

[kopdan]

whats to stop DIC putting in a huge amount of money into this bid?

Its a PR exercise simple as. Show the board the fans are not happy, make them sell and then WHAM! in comes a new investor (DIC or Kraft?)

[Kloppster]

Oh yeah, & the big issue is getting them septics to sell in the 1st place

septic - tanks - Yanks, thank f*ck I remembered and didnt walk into that one again

[enema of the state]

I can see a number of problems. In Barca, all the members have season tickets. We wouldn't be able to give 100k new season tickets out, and what about existing season ticket holders who haven't got 8k to give? Do you get rid of them? Also, why would 100k people give 8k with no prospect of a return, or a season ticket. And if it is because they would have a stake in the club, and receive dividends when we do well, then the approach would be little different to someone buying the club and turning it into a PLC? And how do we raise extra money when required for future transfers etc?

I really like the idea, and would love nothing more than for our club to be owned by the fans as Barca is. But from the position we are in now, and given the amounts of money that would have to be involved, I can't see it being achievable. Sadly.

good thread

some of the points you raise are interesting: particularly why would 100k people give 8k with no prospect of a return, or a season ticket. And if it is because they would have a stake in the club, and receive dividends when we do well, then the approach would be little different to someone buying the club and turning it into a PLC?

in actual fact, if i splash the cash i got for my share from H&G id be back where i started - and I happen to know of a bloke with £100m in his back pocket he didnt have this time last year whod defo be up for a big slice



The stadium costs could be financed as follows:

1)stadium naming/advertising rights

2)loans - repaid with future increased revenue - whuch could actually cover the whole cost if done right.

3) yearly subscriptions from members above and beyond season tickets. ie "membership fees"

4) and this is the biggy - individual cash injections from individuals who would stand for the post of club chairman, president etc.....see above for one possible candidate.

However, id dont see 100k lfc fans being able to stump up that money - and i also dont see why H&G would sell to this consortium rather than DIC

4)

[Roboklopp]

septic - tanks - Yanks, thank f*ck I remembered and didnt walk into that one again

[MattB]

Just an interesting set of coincidences...

DIC = quiet
Kraft = in the media again
Gillett = quiet
Government comment before plans are public

Not reading too much into it, but interesting all the same

[Roboklopp]

good thread

some of the points you raise are interesting: particularly why would 100k people give 8k with no prospect of a return, or a season ticket. And if it is because they would have a stake in the club, and receive dividends when we do well, then the approach would be little different to someone buying the club and turning it into a PLC?

in actual fact, if i splash the cash i got for my share from H&G id be back where i started - and I happen to know of a bloke with £100m in his back pocket he didnt have this time last year whod defo be up for a big slice

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40591000/jpg/_40591669_moores270.jpg

The stadium costs could be financed as follows:

1)stadium naming/advertising rights

2)loans - repaid with future increased revenue - whuch could actually cover the whole cost if done right.

3) yearly subscriptions from members above and beyond season tickets. ie "membership fees"

4) and this is the biggy - individual cash injections from individuals who would stand for the post of club chairman, president etc.....see above for one possible candidate.

However, id dont see 100k lfc fans being able to stump up that money - and i also dont see why H&G would sell to this consortium rather than DIC

4)

Good points, until #4 that is...

[tomasjj]

Anything that puts pressure on the current owners to sell is good imo.