fans in buy out sensation!!

[el matador]

I noticed that alright at the game, a great sense of community, as you say, it is apparent that their are several generations of families at the game together, grandfather with his grandkids etc.

it is in every sense a community club - i remember when I was there they kept telling me that Barca had 100,000 socios and couldnt figure out what they were trying to tell me. I thought they had 100,000 season ticket holders tried to look surprised and amazed at that (although 100k season ticket holders would be something).

It works well for Barca but in addition they have a lot of very wealthy businessmen backing them too. Catalonia is regarded as the most prosperous part of spain economically speaking and there is a lot of wealth creation there. They have a lot of financial power - hence this is the first season that they have had a shirt sponsor - and that was UNICEF.

Not sure if it would work for us because merseyside is traditionally not an affluent area and asking fans to put £5k per share is a lot. I think someone mentioned that they might split down the ownership of one share into chunks and this might then be better - but in terms of management would be a nightmare and I can only see them doing this at a later date.

dont be surprised if David Moores buys back into the club - im sure he blames himself for the current fiasco.

[Red Chilli]

500 million will probably be just to buy the club.

Then there's the stadium to fund, obviously, that will be partly funded by naming rights, probably 100 million for that.

I reckon it'd take another 250 million to fund the stadium, which, would probably have to go on the club.
So how do we service this debt?

For me the maths of 500 million lay out just doesn't add up.

I reckon they should go for 8 grand each, 800 million funds the stadium and the club and then transfers could be funded by presidents as per Barcelona.

The other difficulty I have with it is the 100,000 fans figure.
1) Have we got 100000 fans who'd spunk 8k on the club, doubt it.
2) Anyone willing to spunk 8k on a share of LFC but with no guarentee of a season ticket in the new stadium? Maybe but would you get 100,000 willing?

I'd like to see their proposals and I'd like to know how Barce do it.

IF it was possible, it'd be a dream solution, but I don't see it being possible personally

[Morph]

Doesn't appear to have been mentioned, but maybe this whole thing would be a transitional process.

I don't know why they think they are more likely to be able to buy the club off G & H than anyone else, but lets say they can pull it off with the money, could we not just be sold on again to an investor who the fans deem appropriate.

Sort of a way of taking our club back, and passing it on to someone we give our blessing to run it, be it DIC, Kraft or whoever else may make themselves known.

Also any chance of that PM that's going round?

[Barnyard]

500 million will probably be just to buy the club.

Then there's the stadium to fund, obviously, that will be partly funded by naming rights, probably 100 million for that.

I reckon it'd take another 250 million to fund the stadium, which, would probably have to go on the club.
So how do we service this debt?

For me the maths of 500 million lay out just doesn't add up.

I reckon they should go for 8 grand each, 800 million funds the stadium and the club and then transfers could be funded by presidents as per Barcelona.

The other difficulty I have with it is the 100,000 fans figure.
1) Have we got 100000 fans who'd spunk 8k on the club, doubt it.
2) Anyone willing to spunk 8k on a share of LFC but with no guarentee of a season ticket in the new stadium? Maybe but would you get 100,000 willing?

I'd like to see their proposals and I'd like to know how Barce do it.

IF it was possible, it'd be a dream solution, but I don't see it being possible personally

True, you've obviously never be able to offer a season ticket but maybe you could be on the PTS or something? Still, pricey for £8000!

Why do you say you wouldn't get any return? Wouldn't you make monay the same way any shareholder does? If the club was sold in the future and had increased in value?

I think the more realistic view would be to sell lots more shares of smaller value as mentioned previously, but the admin would be a nightmare...

[Joe King]

500 million will probably be just to buy the club.

Then there's the stadium to fund, obviously, that will be partly funded by naming rights, probably 100 million for that.

I reckon it'd take another 250 million to fund the stadium, which, would probably have to go on the club.
So how do we service this debt?

For me the maths of 500 million lay out just doesn't add up.

I reckon they should go for 8 grand each, 800 million funds the stadium and the club and then transfers could be funded by presidents as per Barcelona.

The other difficulty I have with it is the 100,000 fans figure.
1) Have we got 100000 fans who'd spunk 8k on the club, doubt it.
2) Anyone willing to spunk 8k on a share of LFC but with no guarentee of a season ticket in the new stadium? Maybe but would you get 100,000 willing?

I'd like to see their proposals and I'd like to know how Barce do it.

IF it was possible, it'd be a dream solution, but I don't see it being possible personally

There could be the possibility of some rich *******s buying more than one share.

[Barnyard]

Also any chance of that PM that's going round?

What PM?! I want it!

[swishtz]

Share are supposed to return dividends to the shareholders - how would this all work ?

[Barnyard]

Share are supposed to return dividends to the shareholders - how would this all work ?

I would imagine that instead of dividends they would use this money for transfers?...

[el matador]

500 million will probably be just to buy the club.

Then there's the stadium to fund, obviously, that will be partly funded by naming rights, probably 100 million for that.

I reckon it'd take another 250 million to fund the stadium, which, would probably have to go on the club.
So how do we service this debt?

For me the maths of 500 million lay out just doesn't add up.

I reckon they should go for 8 grand each, 800 million funds the stadium and the club and then transfers could be funded by presidents as per Barcelona.

The other difficulty I have with it is the 100,000 fans figure.
1) Have we got 100000 fans who'd spunk 8k on the club, doubt it.
2) Anyone willing to spunk 8k on a share of LFC but with no guarentee of a season ticket in the new stadium? Maybe but would you get 100,000 willing?

I'd like to see their proposals and I'd like to know how Barce do it.

IF it was possible, it'd be a dream solution, but I don't see it being possible personally

It can be done - Barca and others have proved that.

There are several advantages.

- a potentially debt free club
- a club owned by people who genuinely care for it
- no annual interest payments
- all profits will be re-invested into the club (whether its the team, facilities, stadium, amenities for the fans)
- more money for the club (some of these are obvious)

however, there are some disadvantages too.

- how do we decide who runs the club
- will every key decision be put to the shareholders (like price rises, transfers, sponsorship deals, tv deals etc...)
- the potential delays involved in running the club with a 'people's vote'
- what happens when a large majority or even a minority dont agree with the way the club's being run ? - will this lead to in-fighting and political agendas ?
- in the future what's to stop the shareholders selling to a group such as Hicks and Gillett ?
- what happens if the club runs out of money ? - do they make shareholders stump up a further X amount and those who cant face losing their shareholding ?

In principle its not a bad thing and you can be assured that all of the money / profit we generate through gate receipts, merchandising, and TV and other sources of revenue go straight back into the club. We wont see 'roy from anfield' all of a sudden go out and buy the harlequins rugby team.

All of the money stays in the club. In theory its a much better deal than either DIC or hicks and gillett

[Red Chilli]

If we get a 71k seater stadium and sell say 60k season tickets every year at about 400 quid that's a guarenteed 24 million a year. I suppose this would help to reduce the debt created by the stadium.
Then if your "socios" pay 150 quid a year that's another 15 million.
I suppose these payments would help service the debt of the new stadium, along with naming rights.

Club/shirt sponsors, premiership TV money and prize money could go on wages and club operating costs.

Transfers would have to be funded by the "President".

It's possible I suppose

Anything from 5-8 grand and I'd be in

[Kloppster]

for 5k I'd love to be involved,

If i could just sell the wife and kids I might even get another few quid :')

[Pablo]

**** idea that makes everyone involved look like cunts

Next.

Terrible post, please explain why this makes is look like cunts. You dont like the idea of the club being owned by the fans who only want what is best for the club? You want us owned by a cold calculated businessman who's only interest is to make profit?

If this worked, and it is a huge "if", then surely it would be much better than the current situation.

There are many things that have happened over the previous few months that have made us look like a laughing stock, for me this isnt one of them.

[calvoboy]

500 million will probably be just to buy the club.

Then there's the stadium to fund, obviously, that will be partly funded by naming rights, probably 100 million for that.

I reckon it'd take another 250 million to fund the stadium, which, would probably have to go on the club.
So how do we service this debt?

For me the maths of 500 million lay out just doesn't add up.

I reckon they should go for 8 grand each, 800 million funds the stadium and the club and then transfers could be funded by presidents as per Barcelona.

The other difficulty I have with it is the 100,000 fans figure.
1) Have we got 100000 fans who'd spunk 8k on the club, doubt it.
2) Anyone willing to spunk 8k on a share of LFC but with no guarentee of a season ticket in the new stadium? Maybe but would you get 100,000 willing?

I'd like to see their proposals and I'd like to know how Barce do it.

IF it was possible, it'd be a dream solution, but I don't see it being possible personally

I can see a number of problems. In Barca, all the members have season tickets. We wouldn't be able to give 100k new season tickets out, and what about existing season ticket holders who haven't got 8k to give? Do you get rid of them? Also, why would 100k people give 8k with no prospect of a return, or a season ticket. And if it is because they would have a stake in the club, and receive dividends when we do well, then the approach would be little different to someone buying the club and turning it into a PLC? And how do we raise extra money when required for future transfers etc?

I really like the idea, and would love nothing more than for our club to be owned by the fans as Barca is. But from the position we are in now, and given the amounts of money that would have to be involved, I can't see it being achievable. Sadly.

[el matador]

If we get a 71k seater stadium and sell say 60k season tickets every year at about 400 quid that's a guarenteed 24 million a year. I suppose this would help to reduce the debt created by the stadium.
Then if your "socios" pay 150 quid a year that's another 15 million.
I suppose these payments would help service the debt of the new stadium, along with naming rights.

Club/shirt sponsors, premiership TV money and prize money could go on wages and club operating costs.

Transfers would have to be funded by the "President".

It's possible I suppose

Anything from 5-8 grand and I'd be in

if someone at the club agreed to issue 60k season tickets at £400 each they would need shooting. why would you want to earn even less money than we are probably taking now ?

[el matador]

I can see a number of problems. In Barca, all the members have season tickets. We wouldn't be able to give 100k new season tickets out, and what about existing season ticket holders who haven't got 8k to give? Do you get rid of them? Also, why would 100k people give 8k with no prospect of a return, or a season ticket. And if it is because they would have a stake in the club, and receive dividends when we do well, then the approach would be little different to someone buying the club and turning it into a PLC? And how do we raise extra money when required for future transfers etc?

I really like the idea, and would love nothing more than for our club to be owned by the fans as Barca is. But from the position we are in now, and given the amounts of money that would have to be involved, I can't see it being achievable. Sadly.

I understand that every persons financial position is different and that for some spending £5k on a bit of paper represents money down the pan. For other people it represents a dream. To own the club you support and have loved all your life. To get rid of these american *******s and restore our club to where it should be.

There is no greater challenge out there or greater threat than the one we are facing now. Bad things happen when good men dont stand up.

Personally speaking im in.