Afc Liverpool's new club badge

[alunevans]

My one point in all this is, if it wasn't set up as a reaction to the yanks, why wasn't it done sooner, it sounds to me, just my opinion, that it was in fact a knee jerk reaction against the americans. As was the Scum with theirs.

Nothing against it, each to their own, but a bit of honesty as to the reasons behind it would be good. It must be because of the takeover, or should i say because of who Tookover.

Also the aim of every club is to progress up the leagues, yes it will take years, & no matter how unlikely the scenario the aim of the club is to win, become a force, the long term effect of this if successful, will be another club people can't afford to go & see, what then, another club.

As the person who started the ball rolling I've not been dishonest at all. It was never about the ownership. It's always looked as though the ownership issue could be shortlived once it went sour. None of us know.

I would never have put this amount of effort into something that would have no need to exist within months.

This year is the first time I've not been able to go to all games cos I can't afford it. That's why not sooner.

[tommyg]

I'd have picked A) because its more simple and perhaps kids would be able to mess around with crayons and draw it(the logo). The reasoning for the starting of AFC Liverpool is about taking kids to go watch games was it not?

[ianbridgeman]

The argument is not about giving kids a chance to play football, we've been giving this for years as have numerous other clubs in the loacale.

You were not given all of the free publicity, Radio Interviews etc, because you were setting up a bog-standard grassroots club, it was for entirely different reasons and you have used that "fame" to attract an entirely different sector of the public than people believed you set out to do. An advantage other grassroots clubs certainly don't have.

Lot's of Junior clubs would love the exposure you have had to promote their club to players and particularly potential Sponsors that would keep them afloat.

[alunevans]

If the club becomes a genuine non league club of some stature, then surely we have both a right and responsibility to set up youth teams or bring existing teams under our wing?

All teams of stature will have a youth system. I'm not understanding why you think we shouldn't have one.

And if we are more capable of winning more sponsorship for kids football, why is that a bad thing when we do?

[Red_Polo]

To me AFC Liverpool has used this and other forums as an advertising vehicle to promote itself as 'Complimentary Alternative' to Liverpool FC basing it's argument on the issue that people cannot afford to go to the matches.

All of this pretty much free advertising has had a lot of people interested in this 'Alternative' team, but then along comes AFC Liverpool the Junior Football Club, using its new found fame on forums and LFC's own website to entice youngsters, who, most likely, are currently playing in the grassroots game with already established and hardworking clubs.

Nicely Done!!, the biggest funding pathways come through Junior Football, particularly Girls Football at present, so instead of linking and supporting other grassroots clubs in the area you decide to cash in on your high profile.

As a club administrator I was, originally, very interested in this plan, not anymore thank you very much if it means you stamp on the toes of the rest of us. You are now now no different to most Grassroots clubs in the UK and your so called "LFC's Little Brother" act appears nothing more than an advertising campaign.

Fans, probably, sycophants, definately.

I'm seriously baffled by that post. Have you got any evidence to support your suggestion the pro-LFC stance is just an act/marketing ploy, or are you just aimlessly mudslinging? I suggest you go back and read the threads on this forum where you can see how/why the idea formed in Alun's mind, because you're doing him and AFC Liverpool a massive disservice painting them the way you are.

[RedProf]

Also, perhaps I'm reading it wrongly, but to me it just comes across as a little bit of jealously. No offence meant, it's just how it reads to me.

[ianbridgeman]

If the club becomes a genuine non league club of some stature, then surely we have both a right and responsibility to set up youth teams or bring existing teams under our wing?

All teams of stature will have a youth system. I'm not understanding why you think we shouldn't have one.

And if we are more capable of winning more sponsorship for kids football, why is that a bad thing when we do?

Have you looked at any non-league clubs structures? Doesnt sound like it to me!

Most, if not all, non league clubs link with a local club or several clubs and support them in many different ways. From coaching support, player development & fund raising support.

What you are doing is taking that away, making it in-house and any funding that you could of helped other clubs with, coaching support & player development etc will be sucked out not put back in.

You are not advocating the support of local grassroots, you are promoting the well-being of AFC Liverpool and AFC Liverpool only.

Are you saying that any sponsorships you receive are going directly to help local grassroots football?

[Red_Polo]

Also, perhaps I'm reading it wrongly, but to me it just comes across as a little bit of jealously. No offence meant, it's just how it reads to me.

Thought the same myself

[alunevans]

Have you looked at any non-league clubs structures? Doesnt sound like it to me!

Most, if not all, non league clubs link with a local club or several clubs and support them in many different ways. From coaching support, player development & fund raising support.

What you are doing is taking that away, making it in-house and any funding that you could of helped other clubs with, coaching support & player development etc will be sucked out not put back in.

You are not advocating the support of local grassroots, you are promoting the well-being of AFC Liverpool and AFC Liverpool only.

Are you saying that any sponsorships you receive are going directly to help local grassroots football?

With respect Ian, you have no idea what our plans are with regard to community football.

You don't know what coaching support we have in mind and to whom. You don't know to what extent we plan to be sending coaches into the community or into schools.

You don't know to what extent we'll be running disability football, and you don't know that we will be targetting some of that at an age group where there is a dearth of disability football.

You don't know to what extent we're taking clubs under our wing and to what extent we are developing our own.

Until you know what our plans are, you can't really be in a position to denounce them.

[ianbridgeman]

Thought the same myself

You see it from one way, unfortunately I see it from another.

I was, originally, really impressed with Aluns model but now feel that expanding the AFC Liverpool umbrella into Junior Football does not sit right with me at all, and I am sure other clubs have raised their eyebrows over this.
Players are even being invited from the wirral, and I'm not talking about players for the Adults teams!

If Alun had gone into the community, talking to local clubs and trying to develop links that could see, in the future,a player development pathway that benefitted both the Junior side and ensured AFC Liverpool had access to the best players when they were older then that would have been a good use of resources. Instead the clubs in the community stand to lose young players, potential sponsors even coaches to AFC Liverpool as they cannot match the exposure Alun has had with his initial project.

[alunevans]

You see it from one way, unfortunately I see it from another.

I was, originally, really impressed with Aluns model but now feel that expanding the AFC Liverpool umbrella into Junior Football does not sit right with me at all, and I am sure other clubs have raised their eyebrows over this.
Players are even being invited from the wirral, and I'm not talking about players for the Adults teams!

If Alun had gone into the community, talking to local clubs and trying to develop links that could see, in the future,a player development pathway that benefitted both the Junior side and ensured AFC Liverpool had access to the best players when they were older then that would have been a good use of resources. Instead the clubs in the community stand to lose young players, potential sponsors even coaches to AFC Liverpool as they cannot match the exposure Alun has had with his initial project.

As things stand we have two junior sides that both came from preexisting teams in the way you feel is best. The women's side likewise. The disability football is aimed at an age group that is not well represented.

The thing is though, if we go to an existing club and take them under our wing, don't *they* just get the competitive advantage you complain of by being associated with us. Don't they end up with all the players wanting to come to them?

If so, is there a major difference between a club like us running it ourselves, and developing a relationship with an existing club, given that the competitive advantage will be there either way?

The only way to avoid all this seems to be not to offer community football at all, but we would strongly disagree with that option. As I said earlier, we have a right and a duty to run community football teams.

[lfcchris]

Where are AFC Liverpool going to be playing from????

[livvy145]

Where are AFC Liverpool going to be playing from????

The groundshare will be completed next week so will broadcast that then.

[lfcchris]

nice one

[Ferrrrnando]

If it's not about the yanks and just about money, why don't fans watch the youths or reserves instead?