Treatment of Roy by EST1892 Members

[CorkRed]

Here's a selection of choice quotes from Roy I have blatantly nicked from elsewhere. I think they speak for themselves.

After the 2-0 loss to Everton: “To get a result here would have been Utopia,” said the Liverpool manager. “But I can only analyse the performance. There is no point trying to analyse dreams.”

In answer to a journalist from Norway questioning the supply to Torres: 'Are you from Denmark?' Hodgson asked (he considers the Danish press too negative). 'No, Norway,' replied the visitor. 'Ah, two countries I never want to work in again,' he said.

Discussing how well Birmingham played against us: "It would have been a shame if we beat Birmingham today"

After signing Merieles - "We don't know his best position"

Talking about young prospect Jonjo Shelvey and obviously trying to inspire confidence: "He did well but the fact is he came on in extra-time and people were tiring.

Questioner - 'Is Torres better off playing as a lone striker or with someone alongside him?' Hodgson : 'I don't know'

Talking about the potential protest against the then owners, Hicks and Gillett before Sunderland: "When you've got a group of people protesting at the games, it doesn't help."

August 24th - "Hopefully in the next 36 games we can take some points"

Before the Manchester United game: " I've been involved in some big derbies in my career and you know how much they mean to the fans. It compares with Inter v Juventus. The Milan derby was a big occasion but the derby d'Italia was the real killer one, as it were. I didn't like losing in those games, which I did quite often. I did poorly so it would be nice to change that" - Liverpool lost 3-2

In regards Liverpool's worst start for 56 years: "I couldn't give a monkey's whether we're 16th or 18th at the moment."

After the 2-0 loss to Everton: ''I hope that fair-minded people see the game the same way. I think it’s a bit unfortunate that after such a good game of football, everything revolves around the fact that Liverpool didn’t win it.”

After the protests against the owners for the Sunderland game: "those people aren't making my job any easier"

On his special relationship with our nemesis Alex Ferguson: “I know Mr Ferguson is not really a Liverpool man,” said Hodgson, “so I’m a bit concerned about my excellent relationship with him. “I sincerely hope he forgives me for moving north and hopefully we can have a glass of wine together, maybe in secret."

“We didn’t score goals and Everton did but I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior. I watched the performance and the second half was as good as I saw a Liverpool team play under my management that is for sure.” Liverpool had just been completely outplayed and lost 2-0 to their local rivals

When questioned on the way to get the best out of a Liverpool team full of different types of players to Fulham: "What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmsteds to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team."

On signing Poulsen: "For me, it was a very simple decision when I heard he - Poulsen - might be available at what we considered to be a very reasonable price.We need as many good players as we can get and if you let these opportunities pass you by, sometimes you can regret it."

On Liverpool conceding goals - "It is a problem we are letting in goals but with the offensive line-up we have that is going to be a risk." - Liverpool have managed just 7 goals in the league thus far, 15 less than the same stage last season

After the draw against Sunderland: "They were formidable opposition"

When questioned about Liverpool's poor form continuing to Christmas, whether he would consider his position for the good of the club: "I have got a three year contract so if someone wants to get rid of me presumably they would have to pay up my three year contract"

On Liverpools poor form: "I think we are a good side, it's just we keep losing" as well as "We all know a magic wand solution doesn’t exist."

After torres and konchesky were passed fit, but kuyt and agger weren't.: - "we get two good ones back, but lose a good one in kuyt"

Scapegoating the team he picked for Northampton and essentially telling players that they are deemed not good enough: "We had a very bad result on Wednesday night but it should not affect the 11 players who are going to start the game on Saturday because they weren't part of the game."

On the pressure he is under at Liverpool - "I think it would be a sad day for football and for Liverpool if someone who had been brought in with the pomp and circumstance, and the money it took them to release me from my previous contract, and being feted as one of England's best managers – if after eight games people are deciding this guy has got to go".

Mate, for Christs sake. We're all doomed in every aspect of our everyday lives if we start taking a piece of something someone said and putting it up there as gospel. Using those quotes out of context is unfair. I can see that a lot of these things were said in gest i.e about Maxi and him communicating. Fair enough he should be more careful about certain things he says as they can be made out to be what they're not but he's only human. Like I said earlier I feel people are jumping on the slightest thing and trying to make it into something he never intended it to be.

Torres carrying on the way he is is far more disrepectful in my opinion.

[PTP]

You cant expect someone to turn this team into something that wins every match it plays and becomes tactilly different overnight. Added to this the fact that there are at least 3 or 4 teams ahead of us in terms of progress towards a fluent attacking force, we will have to make monumental changes to overhaul them.

If Rafa hadnt won the CL the past 10 years since the Houllier treble/quadruple havent exactly been scintillating stuff so to want or even expect a team that in some people's expectations is invicible and all-conquering is way off the mark.

Do we really want to turn into another of those clubs that rattles through managers just because the fans/media expect instant success or are we prepared to give them, the players and the management the opportunity to build and develop something special?

He deserves at least a season, if not longer.

good points but .....

firstly for me - i never wanted him, i never felt he was ever going to be up to the task and was going to be way out of his depth, and posted this at the time - so that was always going to be difficult for hodgson to turn around but.....once he signed, i thought, well he is here now, the players seem happy, we had a bit of buzz with the signing of joe cole and a few youngsters coming in so I was willing to see how it went

Then the season started....it's been a ****ing nightmare and not only has hodgson shown he was not up to it on the pitch, but what astounded me was how bad he has been off it.....I was expecting a bit of an "uncle roy evans" scenario with him - but it completley backfired- i think he totally misunderstood what it means to be Liverpool manager, and the more he spoke, the bigger the hole he dug, and now he can't get out of it

I mentioned this earlier - The people defending him, only seem to say in his defence...."he needs more time, it's not the liverpool way too sack someone so soon" etc etc - well bollocks to it

Are these people suggesting then, than rather become a 'sacking' club - we should continue to pursue with this bloke just because 'we should' - and i don't want to become a sacking club, but just because we sacked hodgson doens't make us the next newcastle does it

What it comes down too for me is - I really can't see Hodgson being here next season, certainly not two seasons, three or five!!! - so why wait....why not just end it now and get someone in place to get us moving forward instead of just steadying the ship mid-table.

So far I've been every league game at home, a couple of european games, plus have watched every other match (even when we aren't on 'normal' tv as our local has arab/norwegian channels) - and there hasn't been a hint of support towards him after what? 25 matches!! - 25 matches, and i think the only chant aimed at hodgson has been "dalglish"

[Craig_H]

I just think it goes against the Liverpool ethos to not give the manager at least some time to show what he can do. I agree things haven't gone very well but some of the abuse levelled at him here imo is completely unjustified and over the top. I just think we're losing our way if we're calling the manager a c*nt and telling him to f*ck off less than halfway through his first season.

He seems to be getting the best out of most of our players at present - Maxi, Lucas, Babel, Ngog etc yet people seem to rather take Torres sulky attitude as an indicator as to how the players feel about the manager. Whether these players are good enough to wear a Liverpool jersey is another question but most of them were not his signings! Of course Konchesky isn't Liverpool class but give the lad a break for f*cks sake, he's trying his best whilst having to deal with the derision coming from the stands.

Yes, I may be a lurker as my post count will testify but I'd just like to see what the members on the site outside of the vocal 'F*ck off Roy' ones think.

It's not the normal way for LFC, but then having a manager who disrespects the fans and hangs his own players out to dry in public isnt the Liverpool Way either.

He simply isnt right for the club, he doesnt fit in with LFC, neither in terms of his footballing philosophy, nor his self-preservation based character.

[Catrin]

He is probably an improvement on his predecessor in one area (the personal/social relationship with the players) but lags far behind in all others. He lacks tactical acumen, he doesn't appear to have sound judgement when it comes to player recruitment, he doesn't seem to have any clear plan or vision on how to take the club forward. Above all, Rafa gave us hope whereas I don't think that even the most optimistic of supporters believe in Roy. The decision for the owners isn't so much "how long do we give him" as "how much time are we prepared to waste?"

[PTP]

and fair play corkred for speaking out mate

I do admire your patience towards hodgson. u should post more

but as i mentioned - for me, the only valid reason anyone gives me for not sacking him is "it's not the liverpool thing to do"

Sadly, though times have changed and we can't afford to hang around and hope hodgson turns us round - we're on the brink of being a an everton or aston villa - seriously, we need a major boost this january to show we still have something to offer, then an even bigger boost in the summer to get us back in challening for top 4 - at the moment - i just see us slipping further behing city and spurs - nevermind arsenal united and chelsea

[Scaramanga]

Last season aside we were established in the top 4, nearly won the league in 2008, put in some excellent performances and acted like a big club. I want to defend Roy from some of the excessive criticisms, but we shouldn't try to re-write history to achieve that.

But during that time and since both Tottenham and Man City have invested hugely and developed very strong teams, Arsenal's kids continue to mature and Chelsea and ManUre, although creaking a little, havent exactly gone backwards (and both have the winning mentality). To expect to be able to still compete with these 5 without serious investment is IMO unreasonable.

Dont get me wrong, Roy is not my ideal choice but aside from Redknapp, he's about the best english manager available at the moment based on recent experience and that has to count for something, particularly as we seem to be trying to get back to a more english base of both players and philosophy.

If nothing else I'd like to see him bring some stability to the club over the season whilst NESV decide precisely what they intend to do (which will also not be immediate!).

[James P]

a hundred million Bon Jovi fans can't be wrong.

Yes, they can.

[James P]

Here's a selection of choice quotes from Roy I have blatantly nicked from elsewhere. I think they speak for themselves.

After the 2-0 loss to Everton: “To get a result here would have been Utopia,” said the Liverpool manager. “But I can only analyse the performance. There is no point trying to analyse dreams.”
Stupid comment

In answer to a journalist from Norway questioning the supply to Torres: 'Are you from Denmark?' Hodgson asked (he considers the Danish press too negative). 'No, Norway,' replied the visitor. 'Ah, two countries I never want to work in again,' he said. Personally, I think that's quite a good put down

Discussing how well Birmingham played against us: "It would have been a shame if we beat Birmingham today" Odd comment, but what was the context?

After signing Merieles - "We don't know his best position" Odd comment, but what was the context?


Talking about young prospect Jonjo Shelvey and obviously trying to inspire confidence: "He did well but the fact is he came on in extra-time and people were tiring.
Remove the word 'but' and it's a perfectly fair assessment of the situation

Questioner - 'Is Torres better off playing as a lone striker or with someone alongside him?' Hodgson : 'I don't know' Odd comment, but what was the context?

Talking about the potential protest against the then owners, Hicks and Gillett before Sunderland: "When you've got a group of people protesting at the games, it doesn't help." I actually agree with this. The protests were against the owners, but were bound to unsettle the players. As manager, what else was he supposed to say?

August 24th - "Hopefully in the next 36 games we can take some points" Said after two games of the season, almost certainly in response to a pointed question about the Man City defeat. In context it may have made perfect sense

Before the Manchester United game: " I've been involved in some big derbies in my career and you know how much they mean to the fans. It compares with Inter v Juventus. The Milan derby was a big occasion but the derby d'Italia was the real killer one, as it were. I didn't like losing in those games, which I did quite often. I did poorly so it would be nice to change that" - Liverpool lost 3-2
What's wrong with this, exactly? He's saying that his record is derbies isn't great (fact) and he'd like to change that.

In regards Liverpool's worst start for 56 years: "I couldn't give a monkey's whether we're 16th or 18th at the moment."
Initially sounds stupid, but it may have been in the context that he didn't care because all he cared about was that things weren't good enough, and it's a moot point whether we're in 16th or 18th when we should be in the top 4

After the 2-0 loss to Everton: ''I hope that fair-minded people see the game the same way. I think it’s a bit unfortunate that after such a good game of football, everything revolves around the fact that Liverpool didn’t win it.”Stupid comment

After the protests against the owners for the Sunderland game: "those people aren't making my job any easier"
See comment above re the protests - he's saying exactly what you'd expect him to. He's employed by the owners, so he's hardly going to speak out against them, is he?

On his special relationship with our nemesis Alex Ferguson: “I know Mr Ferguson is not really a Liverpool man,” said Hodgson, “so I’m a bit concerned about my excellent relationship with him. “I sincerely hope he forgives me for moving north and hopefully we can have a glass of wine together, maybe in secret." Very stupid comment

“We didn’t score goals and Everton did but I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior. I watched the performance and the second half was as good as I saw a Liverpool team play under my management that is for sure.” Liverpool had just been completely outplayed and lost 2-0 to their local rivals Stupid comment, but how often do managers say things like that? Ferguson after the 4-1 at Old Trafford, for example?

When questioned on the way to get the best out of a Liverpool team full of different types of players to Fulham: "What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmsteds to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team." Can see what he's trying to say, but his examples don't exactly work!

On signing Poulsen: "For me, it was a very simple decision when I heard he - Poulsen - might be available at what we considered to be a very reasonable price.We need as many good players as we can get and if you let these opportunities pass you by, sometimes you can regret it." **** off Roy

On Liverpool conceding goals - "It is a problem we are letting in goals but with the offensive line-up we have that is going to be a risk." - Liverpool have managed just 7 goals in the league thus far, 15 less than the same stage last season Stupid comment

After the draw against Sunderland: "They were formidable opposition" Clear exaggeration - but Sunderland beat Chelsea 3-0 at the Bridge, so they aren't half bad

When questioned about Liverpool's poor form continuing to Christmas, whether he would consider his position for the good of the club: "I have got a three year contract so if someone wants to get rid of me presumably they would have to pay up my three year contract" Crass, but a statement of fact

On Liverpools poor form: "I think we are a good side, it's just we keep losing" as well as "We all know a magic wand solution doesn’t exist." Slightly dumb, but factually correct

After torres and konchesky were passed fit, but kuyt and agger weren't.: - "we get two good ones back, but lose a good one in kuyt"
Sounds stupid, but could be based on the fact that Agger was out long term anyway, whereas Kuyt a short term injury?

Scapegoating the team he picked for Northampton and essentially telling players that they are deemed not good enough: "We had a very bad result on Wednesday night but it should not affect the 11 players who are going to start the game on Saturday because they weren't part of the game." Statement of fact. The players who lost to Northampton need to take some responsibility, and he's not the first Liverpool manager to lose a Cup game to greatly inferior opposition

On the pressure he is under at Liverpool - "I think it would be a sad day for football and for Liverpool if someone who had been brought in with the pomp and circumstance, and the money it took them to release me from my previous contract, and being feted as one of England's best managers – if after eight games people are deciding this guy has got to go". Agree with the sentiment, in that we are not a club who sack managers after 8 games. We leave that **** to the likes of Newcastle. And last year he was LMA Manager of the Year, so he was feted as one of England's best managers

I don't want Roy to stay, but I think that to pick out isolated quotes and use them as a stick to beat him with is a nonsense. You could do that to most managers, and every frequent poster on this site (me included), and make them look like an arse.

He's not good enough for the job, but the level of personal vitriol is inappropriate.

[Roboklopp]

He is probably an improvement on his predecessor in one area (the personal/social relationship with the players) but lags far behind in all others. He lacks tactical acumen, he doesn't appear to have sound judgement when it comes to player recruitment, he doesn't seem to have any clear plan or vision on how to take the club forward. Above all, Rafa gave us hope whereas I don't think that even the most optimistic of supporters believe in Roy. The decision for the owners isn't so much "how long do we give him" as "how much time are we prepared to waste?"

You see I'm not sure he's even an improvement in terms of relationships with players in general. Maybe things were at breaking point with some players and Rafa last year, but that was after 6 years. Roy seems to have alienated a lot of our players after a few months.

[Craig_H]

After the 2-0 loss to Everton: “To get a result here would have been Utopia,” said the Liverpool manager. “But I can only analyse the performance. There is no point trying to analyse dreams.”
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Discussing how well Birmingham played against us: "It would have been a shame if we beat Birmingham today"

August 24th - "Hopefully in the next 36 games we can take some points"


In regards Liverpool's worst start for 56 years: "I couldn't give a monkey's whether we're 16th or 18th at the moment."


On signing Poulsen: "For me, it was a very simple decision when I heard he - Poulsen - might be available at what we considered to be a very reasonable price.We need as many good players as we can get and if you let these opportunities pass you by, sometimes you can regret it."


On Liverpools poor form: "I think we are a good side, it's just we keep losing" as well as "We all know a magic wand solution doesn’t exist."

Most of those are laughably classic, but there's a few proper gems right there.

[JohnDoe]

Roy is a turd that thinks it's a diamond.

[Craig_H]

u should post more

I hate this expression and wish people wouldnt use it.

Someone said it to me many moons ago - and look where that's got you...

[Craig_H]

Sorry, dupe post!

You utter dupe!

[PTP]

I hate this expression and wish people wouldnt use it.

Someone said it to me many moons ago - and look where that's got you...

you should post less

[red g]

If he produced decent football, talked sense and stopped being a **** then think he would be treated with more respect.