Treatment of Roy by EST1892 Members

[MrsB]

Ew.

[Red11]

I'd be interested to know why people voted 'don't care'. Is it 'don't care about the issue' (in which case why bother voting?!), or 'don't care whether it's fair or not because I hate him anyway', or what?

I voted "Don't Care" because i don't care about Roy any more.He's sucked the life out of football for me & what's left is used for supporting certain players like Lucas who seem to give their all. Sick of the sulkfest that is Gerrard, the New Egomaniac on the Block Carragher & Torres picking when & where he gets his game face on...

Roy's a tactical disaster and ignoramus. I want a manager who projects belief, solidity, passion for Liverpool & aggression for the opposition. That would be a start for me.

Roy is a non-entity for me, every time i see him on the touchline i think "i see dead people"...

[meffin]

He has turned us into a mid table side. Nothing we say can be harsh enough. The man is a waste of space

[billy_mac]

Admitedly at the start of the season I was quite pleased with the appointment of Hodgson, I really did think he would be a breath of fresh air and personally I did not agree with some of the views of many of this site's members however I now see why so many did not agree with his appointment in the first place.

It's his overall negativity that's got me more than anything.
Considering he's managing one of the most successful club teams in British Football history and one of Europe's, if not the world's most successful clubs he HAS to be more positive and more confident, this I believe is down to his persona and the way he is. He feels that he's taking pressure off the players with his comments when in fact it is having the completley opposite effect.

We've all heard the cliche that confidence breeds confidence but it is completley true. It's about preparing everyone so they are mentally as well as physically confident, his talk most of the time has been of a very negative tone. I don't however believe though that Roy Hodgson is a naturally confident person, this is clearly visible by the way he constantly moves and shuffles in press conferences and interviews. He also talks negatively in the sense that he appears to carry no real self belief not just in himself but in those around him, the players, his staff and so forth and this ends up having an overall negative effect on everyone.

In his defence though and as has been pointed out already he is getting some decent performances of out some players; namely Lucas, Maxi (who we all thought was going to leave at the start of the season), Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Meirieles and Ngog to name a few. Torres has even been looking better of late as has Reina so some respect is due for these. He does deserve some credit for improving these players of late. Also these last few games we've attacked the opposition with more intent and purpose.

Personally though I do not believe he is the right man for this job, there is so much pressure being the Liverpool boss I am not surprised that he has struggled at times, also more important than anything has been our brand of football since he has arrived. It has been boring and horrible to watch and is not what we want to see week in week out.

That is my personal opinion on Roy Hodgson.

I believe he's trying to dampen down expectations, granted he's making a bags of it and pissing the majority majorly off. There's such a hunger for success becuase of the years without that the demands are for immediate success. Especially given that the ownership has been sorted out. But as you say confidence appears to being built in the players.

Just purely on the passion of us all I think we all wear the rose tinted glasses. I think Roy as an outsider and an experienced man can see clearly what has to be done and I think he is trying to right the ship without any personel agenda. The club was in dire straits during the summer and slowly things are looking better. We haven't played decent football since Roy Evans left.

[cream]

Roy is dog****.

[Neil Young]

I believe he's trying to dampen down expectations, granted he's making a bags of it and pissing the majority majorly off. There's such a hunger for success becuase of the years without that the demands are for immediate success. Especially given that the ownership has been sorted out. But as you say confidence appears to being built in the players.

Just purely on the passion of us all I think we all wear the rose tinted glasses. I think Roy as an outsider and an experienced man can see clearly what has to be done and I think he is trying to right the ship without any personel agenda. The club was in dire straits during the summer and slowly things are looking better. We haven't played decent football since Roy Evans left.

I think you're misreading things:

1. I don't think many people are demanding immediate success. Long term success is what's wanted and many of us see no prospect of it under someone who has never achieved it at this level, despite his famous 35 years of experience. We're not all Sky-influenced phone-in junkies so it would be a good idea not to assume we are.
   
2. No personal agenda. Of course he has - he wants to keep his job. Does that mean he'll do what's right for the club? No, it means he'll do what's right for him. Often the two things will be in harmony but they won't always be. So let's not be naive - he isn't some kind of honest broker, he's a careerist like any other. I don't blame him for that but let's not pretend he doesn't play politics. He just doesn't seem very good at it.
   
3. No decent football? I suppose it's in the eye of the beholder but I think you're wrong. And most of the the stuff we've seen so far this season is worse than anything we saw last season, let alone in seasons where we've played well.

[Roboklopp]

I think you're misreading things:

1. I don't think many people are demanding immediate success. Long term success is what's wanted and many of us see no prospect of it under someone who has never achieved it at this level, despite his famous 35 years of experience. We're not all Sky-influenced phone-in junkies so it would be a good idea not to assume we are.
   
2. No personal agenda. Of course he has - he wants to keep his job. Does that mean he'll do what's right for the club? No, it means he'll do what's right for him. Often the two things will be in harmony but they won't always be. So let's not be naive - he isn't some kind of honest broker, he's a careerist like any other. I don't blame him for that but let's not pretend he doesn't play politics. He just doesn't seem very good at it.
   
3. No decent football? I suppose it's in the eye of the beholder but I think you're wrong. And most of the the stuff we've seen so far this season is worse than anything we saw last season, let alone in seasons where we've played well.

Aye, aye & aye.

[Red11]

I think you're misreading things:

1. I don't think many people are demanding immediate success. Long term success is what's wanted and many of us see no prospect of it under someone who has never achieved it at this level, despite his famous 35 years of experience. We're not all Sky-influenced phone-in junkies so it would be a good idea not to assume we are.
   
2. No personal agenda. Of course he has - he wants to keep his job. Does that mean he'll do what's right for the club? No, it means he'll do what's right for him. Often the two things will be in harmony but they won't always be. So let's not be naive - he isn't some kind of honest broker, he's a careerist like any other. I don't blame him for that but let's not pretend he doesn't play politics. He just doesn't seem very good at it.
   
3. No decent football? I suppose it's in the eye of the beholder but I think you're wrong. And most of the the stuff we've seen so far this season is worse than anything we saw last season, let alone in seasons where we've played well.

This ^, this ^ and above all this ^^

[Exiled_red]

I think the critisism of his management style and what he's doing in the job is fair, (team performances and player signings etc) I don't agree with some of the personal attacks on him.

[danperkins]

I think the critisism of his management style and what he's doing in the job is fair, (team performances and player signings etc) I don't agree with some of the personal attacks on him.

[Lecter]

I just think it goes against the Liverpool ethos to not give the manager at least some time to show what he can do. I agree things haven't gone very well but some of the abuse levelled at him here imo is completely unjustified and over the top. I just think we're losing our way if we're calling the manager a c*nt and telling him to f*ck off less than halfway through his first season.

He seems to be getting the best out of most of our players at present - Maxi, Lucas, Babel, Ngog etc yet people seem to rather take Torres sulky attitude as an indicator as to how the players feel about the manager. Whether these players are good enough to wear a Liverpool jersey is another question but most of them were not his signings! Of course Konchesky isn't Liverpool class but give the lad a break for f*cks sake, he's trying his best whilst having to deal with the derision coming from the stands.

Yes, I may be a lurker as my post count will testify but I'd just like to see what the members on the site outside of the vocal 'F*ck off Roy' ones think.

It goes against the Liverpool ethos for a manager to slag off the fans

It goes against the Liverpool ethos to lower expectations

It goes against the Liverpool ethos to slag off former managers

I could go on but frankly cant be arsed Hodgson shouldnt be given the time of day

[banditos]

I believe he's trying to dampen down expectations, granted he's making a bags of it and pissing the majority majorly off. There's such a hunger for success becuase of the years without that the demands are for immediate success. Especially given that the ownership has been sorted out. But as you say confidence appears to being built in the players.

Just purely on the passion of us all I think we all wear the rose tinted glasses. I think Roy as an outsider and an experienced man can see clearly what has to be done and I think he is trying to right the ship without any personel agenda. The club was in dire straits during the summer and slowly things are looking better. We haven't played decent football since Roy Evans left.

Mate, were you in a coma for the second half of 09/10. We were ****ing amazing.

[Lecter]

Mate, for Christs sake. We're all doomed in every aspect of our everyday lives if we start taking a piece of something someone said and putting it up there as gospel. Using those quotes out of context is unfair. I can see that a lot of these things were said in gest i.e about Maxi and him communicating. Fair enough he should be more careful about certain things he says as they can be made out to be what they're not but he's only human. Like I said earlier I feel people are jumping on the slightest thing and trying to make it into something he never intended it to be.

Torres carrying on the way he is is far more disrepectful in my opinion.

They werent used out of context though

Hodgson has made some dreadful faux pas in the media

The defence of our performance against Everton was ****ing criminal that is as abject a LFC performance as I have EVER seen

Ditto for bigging up Northampton

Sorry the man isnt and never has been LFC material

[Vermilion]

I believe he's trying to dampen down expectations, granted he's making a bags of it and pissing the majority majorly off. There's such a hunger for success becuase of the years without that the demands are for immediate success. Especially given that the ownership has been sorted out. But as you say confidence appears to being built in the players.

Just purely on the passion of us all I think we all wear the rose tinted glasses. I think Roy as an outsider and an experienced man can see clearly what has to be done and I think he is trying to right the ship without any personel agenda. The club was in dire straits during the summer and slowly things are looking better. We haven't played decent football since Roy Evans left.

The two don't really go together..do they ?

I strongly disagree on the decent football.

[Leyton388]

As a side note, why change of name?

the liverpooltj was getting a bit boring mate.