Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Vermilion]

If the Verdict is not guilty, then imo, the other one finger salute charge should be dropped, as it was as a direct result of a false charge brought by Evra that fans were able to abuse and taunt the 'innocent' Suarez' with chants of racist.

edit: I know, not gonna happen.

[dom9]

They are two distinct indescretions.

Say I falsely accuse you of stealing my wallet. Then you get labelled a thief by all and sundry, until one time you have enough and punch someone in a nightclub.

A few days later, you are cleared of theft in court. You should still face the charge of assault, as you are responsible for your actions. If it was found in the subsequent assault trial that you were unduly provoked, or acting in self defence, then that could count in your favour. If they found you were simply acting like a bit of dick, then it wouldn't help in the slightest. But you can't just drop one charge off the back of another incident.

[Vermilion]

They are two distinct indescretions.

Say I falsely accuse you of stealing my wallet. Then you get labelled a thief by all and sundry, until one time you have enough and punch someone in a nightclub.

A few days later, you are cleared of theft in court. You should still face the charge of assault, as you are responsible for your actions. If it was found in the subsequent assault trial that you were unduly provoked, or acting in self defence, then that could count in your favour. If they found you were simply acting like a bit of dick, then it wouldn't help in the slightest. But you can't just drop one charge off the back of another incident.

That's in the real world, i'm talking football.

[dom9]

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[Vermilion]

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Obviously in the real world of rights and criminal law etc, you are totally correct.

But seeing as players can basically assault eachother on the pitch and not be party to the same punishment had they done the same thing in the street it's sort of a bit different, and on that basis, imo...Suarez should be cleared of ALL charges if found innocent of the more serious Racial one.

edit: And i'm biased obviously.

[serenejim]

Reading the Guardian for 40 years has not helped your punctuation. It is normal to has a space after a full stop before you start the new sentence

"has a space" Pot-Kettle Black Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

[truefan999]

Actually the approach in criminal law and football are the same.

In criminal law they take a causal approach (i.e. did you cause the harm? Did you intend to cause the harm? (or recklessness or negligence depending upon the mens rea of any particular crime). They only take the motivating factors (i.e. social background etc) when deciding punishment not when deciding guilt.

So to with football. They would look at did he make an offensive gesture to the crowd? Yes = guilty. Then look at other factors when looking at the punishement.

So it is still a causal approach when looking at guilt and then a broader approch when deciding upon punishment

[truefan999]

Obviously in the real world of rights and criminal law etc, you are totally correct.

But seeing as players can basically assault eachother on the pitch and not be party to the same punishment had they done the same thing in the street it's sort of a bit different, and on that basis, imo...Suarez should be cleared of ALL charges if found innocent of the more serious Racial one.

edit: And i'm biased obviously.

Actually this is not the case anymore. An attack on the pitch (i.e. punching someone) is as actionable as it is in the street. It is just that it is rarely prosecuted in England and Wales. Different in Scotland though (different legal system) as Big Dunc will no doubt remember

[Vermilion]

"has a space" Pot-Kettle Black Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

It's probably the biggest 'school boy error' you can make, correcting someones spelling, and in doing so...making a mistake of your own.

Sooooooooo infuriating when you do it yourself, and especailly when the person your correcting at the time is Craig.! That Specsavers add he replied with really hurt!!!

[Fivex]

especailly

WTF is that supposed to mean?

[Vermilion]

WTF is that supposed to mean?

ffs, i proof read the thing about 5 times.

Lucky i wasn't correcting anyone.

er....sent from i phone...?

Too late for that excuse ? especially, especially! as i have a nokia.

[dom9]

It's probably the biggest 'school boy error' you can make, correcting someones spelling, and in doing so...making a mistake of your own.

Sooooooooo infuriating when you do it yourself, and especailly when the person your correcting at the time is Craig.! That Specsavers add he replied with really hurt!!!

[dom9]

ffs, i proof read the thing about 5 times.

Lucky i wasn't correcting anyone.

er....sent from i phone...?

Too late for that excuse ? especially, especially! as i have a nokia.

That's one mistake you missed for every proof-read.

[Vermilion]

Yeah, but it doesn't count, as i wasn't correcting anyone else, that's the true school boy error.

Correct spelling is overrated anyway, so long as you know wtf they're on about who cares i say.

Now get back to class the pair of you, the kids will be running riot while your away.

[Craig_H]

Anyway, when are we meant to hear the outcome of this?