Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Leyton388]

Think i will stick to Scouse from now on.



It's not just the verdict mate it's the media witch hunt and the amount of knuckle dragging ****s having a dig.

[Exiled_red]

That's another great statement. Love the togetherness over this.

[Paul12]

Although I am probably as stunned as anyone about this, I am underwhelmed by the Club's statement which I do not find particularly convincing.

1 The Club argue that Luis is not racist. That may well be the case, but is irrelevant; you don't have to be a racist to subject someone to racial abuse.

2 The Club argue that it is Evra's word against Luis, and it was very noisy in the ground. Yet Luis has admitted that he used a term that (at least superficially) seems to involve connotations, so IF the decision is based around what Luis admitted saying, it is NOT one person's word against another etc.

3 The Club criticise the FA for adopting an unbalanced approach. They support this by saying that they were very keen to charge Luis and they have not charged Evra for the abuse he handed out. It is difficult to comment on the first point (about being too keen to charge Luis) but my understanding is that the way the FA tends to proceed is to lay a charge when there is a case to answer, and the accusation by Evra makes it reasonable to conclude taht there was a case to answer. And we live in a society that has decided (rightly in my view) that, although no abuse is nice, some (racial abuse for example) should never be tolerated so I do not accept that the FSA has lacked balance by charging Luis but not Evra.

4 Although the Club has not used this argument, some have argued that if Luis used a term that is not regarded as racial abuse in Uruquay, he is not guilty of racial abuse. Such an argument cannot be right in principle - we would regard many of the terms that are to this day in every dat use in racist societies as deeply offensive racially. (And for the avoidance of doubt, I am not meaning to imply here that Uruquay is a racist society.) To me, the issue is whether what was said was a racially-based insult in the country in which it was delivered. If it is, but the person delivering the insult was genuinely unaware that it was a racially-based insult because of cultural differences, he is guilty but there are mitigating circumstances.

I say all this not because I want Luis to be punished or because I want LFC to suffer; I say it because emotional arguments will not help Luis to win his appeal. Solid arguments based on logical reasoning is what is needed.

[dom9]

Bollocks. If you walked up to a complete stranger and started mouthing off to them, making them feel fightened and scared for absolutely no reason then you could be up for some sort of common assault charge, but in the context of a football match, where there are lots of flash points and heated arguments about something contentious, there is no way you'd get a conviction for that, unless someone was issuing threats, for e.g. That's why this type of thing isn't reported.



Was this evidence obtained through an FA investigation?


The FA are making such a big deal about the seriousness of racism that they should be doing their upmost to ensure that it is pushished to the full extent of the law.

In the Keane incident, it was clearly an assualt - there for all to see.

Similar with Paul Davis of Arsenal when he punched that guy off the ball abd got a 10 match ban.

You're right. These things are kept in house because they happen on a football pitch, which is the point I made.

[Shaggy]

nah it's bollocks

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...?newsfeed=true

That quote about "a sad day for football" is in there.

[Exiled_red]

from Viv Anderson on Suarez/Evra: "If somebody said something that in their culture isn't as bad as we take it to be you have to allow for that"

[Shaggy]

That quote about "a sad day for football" is in there.

Although I can't find the other quote.

[The_weatherman]

4 Although the Club has not used this argument, some have argued that if Luis used a term that is not regarded as racial abuse in Uruquay, he is not guilty of racial abuse. Such an argument cannot be right in principle - we would regard many of the terms that are to this day in every dat use in racist societies as deeply offensive racially. (And for the avoidance of doubt, I am not meaning to imply here that Uruquay is a racist society.) To me, the issue is whether what was said was a racially-based insult in the country in which it was delivered. If it is, but the person delivering the insult was genuinely unaware that it was a racially-based insult because of cultural differences, he is guilty but there are mitigating circumstances.

I disagree.

I read somewhere that the discussion between them was in spanish, if so I believe it doesn't matter in what country it was delivered, it could be argued that their mutual experience of a culture is different than the english. Culture is more than a country, these two individuals bring their own culture with them.

[the rev leeroy brown]

Solid arguments based on logical reasoning is what is needed.

Luis has freely and openly admitted from the very beginning of this farce that he did indeed use certain words to describe evra. he is not a stupid guy. he has lived in europe for 3-4 years and he will know what is acceptbale and what isnt. in light of this, he would have genuinely beielved what he said was not a racist term. whay base your whole defense around this otherwise? there was no witnesses or video / audio evidence and had he been worried about the case he could and almost certainly would have claimed to have said nothing to evra at all.

it simply put has to be fact that suarez has not maliciously or racial intended to insult evra.

[RichC]

ahhh missed that bit although depends how you take the context, sad he's been charged or sad that chelsea have come out like that - I read it as the latter BUT could be either way

[McDermotX]

All the shirts on in support of Luis.


**** you FA......**** you Media

[kop-al-74]

Even Kenny is wearing the t shirt

[RichC]

got to love seeing this from the club, solidarity at it's best!

get the **** in there Kenny!

[Buzzo]

Not seen this yet, what do the shirts say? Are they all Suarez ones?

[Paul12]

I disagree.

I read somewhere that the discussion between them was in spanish, if so I believe it doesn't matter in what country it was delivered, it could be argued that their mutual experience of a culture is different than the english. Culture is more than a country, these two individuals bring their own culture with them.

I am not sure I agree you, but I certainly think that it would be better to pursue this argument than any of the others in LFC's statement.