Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Jack D Rips]

So would you rather they either found it straight away, or not at all. Give them a break. At least its being put out there. I don't see how it makes him look bad anyway. Its a 7 year old video. Everyone is wiser now than they were 7 years ago.

You think it was ok to use the word n****r seven years ago? You think it was considered any less offensive then than now?

[sssiho]

Am I reading a different report from all these reporters, because i've read through this twice and still cannot see more than 1 mans word against another and Suarez admitting to saying negro.
Why can't all these reporters see he's been stitched up? And this apology, according to the Mail is for everybody who is offended but not Evra, where did they get that from?
Liverpool should start banning reporters who write **** about them, Fergie's been doing it for years and getting away with it, we should do the same.
I really hope Suarez comes back fully rested and puts on a display at old toilet, and Evra gets his comeuppance.

[marcus50bucks]

If the word 'negro' and other words aren't allowed to be used on a football pitch (as the FA are suggesting) it shouldn't matter what colour the player using them is, they should all be punished in the same way. It would be racist not to...

Well I woud love to see how the fa would handle a case where one black player referred to another black player as a nigga. It would be a very difficult case for them to deal with.

[Exiled_red]

Am I reading a different report from all these reporters, because i've read through this twice and still cannot see more than 1 mans word against another and Suarez admitting to saying negro.
Why can't all these reporters see he's been stitched up? And this apology, according to the Mail is for everybody who is offended but not Evra, where did they get that from?
Liverpool should start banning reporters who write **** about them, Fergie's been doing it for years and getting away with it, we should do the same.
I really hope Suarez comes back fully rested and puts on a display at old toilet, and Evra gets his comeuppance.

Because it suits their agenda.

[Alex]

You think it was ok to use the word n****r seven years ago? You think it was considered any less offensive then than now?

No I don't think its OK to use it 7 years ago. Your missing my point spectacularly. Evra says what he says for whatever reason. As someone said, he can use that word for obvious reasons.

I don't want to get into a race row anyway. Im not educated enough to do so.

[marcus50bucks]

No I don't think its OK to use it 7 years ago. Your missing my point spectacularly. Evra says what he says for whatever reason. As someone said, he can use that word for obvious reasons.
I don't want to get into a race row anyway. Im not educated enough to do so.

Exactly Alex. I'm black myself so I am speaking from a black persons perspective. Evra will always get away with it.

[Jack D Rips]

342. We asked ourselves whether a player with this background would make the comments
that Mr Evra alleged. We took all these points fully on board and thought long and hard
about them before finding the Charge proved. We dealt with them in the following way.

343. Mr Suarez's background as described by him in his statement raised doubts in our minds,
in the first instance, as to whether he would ever make the alleged comments. We
recognised that Mr Suarez's background together with the seriousness of the Charge,
meant that a greater burden of evidence was required to prove the Charge. We formed the
view that, overall, the preponderance of the evidence favoured the FA's case.

344. We took into account the fact that it is a real albeit unattractive trait of human nature that
we all act from time to time, to greater or lesser degrees, in ways which may be out of
character. This is especially so when we feel under pressure, or challenged, or provoked,
or pushed into a corner. We do and say things that we are not proud of and regret, and
that we might try and deny, sometimes even to ourselves. We occasionally do or say
things that we would be embarrassed to admit to family or friends. It is not inconsistent to
have black colleagues and friends and relatives, and yet say things to strangers or
acquaintances about race or colour that we would not say directly to those closer to us.

345. Bearing these considerations in mind, whilst we were initially doubtful that Mr Suarez
would make the comments alleged by Mr Evra, we proceeded on the basis that the factors
relied on in relation to Mr Suarez's background and experiences did not mean that he
could not or would not act in this way. We weighed these considerations together with all
the evidence when asking ourselves whose account was more probable.


Point 344 just beggars belief. They are basically saying that they themselves and indeed everyone are racist.

[Neil Young]

No they're not. In fact, that's pretty much the opposite of what they're saying. They're arguing that people can say racist things but are not racists.

What they have chosen to overlook is that what can be racist to one person might not be perceived that way by another. And as a result they have effectively said one person's set of cultural meanings is superior to someone else's.

[wavydavy]

No I don't think its OK to use it 7 years ago. Your missing my point spectacularly. Evra says what he says for whatever reason. As someone said, he can use that word for obvious reasons.

I don't want to get into a race row anyway. Im not educated enough to do so.

Disagree strongly with that. The fact that blacks use that word unchecked, assuming no white person could possibly be offended by it's use, yet have a hissy fit when it's used by non-blacks clearly flies in the face of everything that anti-race groups are trying to achieve IMO. Blacks who use that phrase want everyone else to tolerate it's use and recognize the black desire,in using it, to observe it's cultural heritage. A privelage our player seems to have been denied.

[Jack D Rips]

No I don't think its OK to use it 7 years ago. Your missing my point spectacularly. Evra says what he says for whatever reason. As someone said, he can use that word for obvious reasons.

I don't want to get into a race row anyway. Im not educated enough to do so.

Sorry Alex. I wasnt referring to the video in particular. Im not really interested in it anyway. Its quite possible that it is not actually his voice.

I was just pointing out that the word n****r was as offensive then as it is now.

[Jack D Rips]

No they're not. In fact, that's pretty much the opposite of what they're saying. They're arguing that people can say racist things but are not racists.

What they have chosen to overlook is that what can be racist to one person might not be perceived that way by another. And as a result they have effectively said one person's set of cultural meanings is superior to someone else's.

Ok Neil I take that point. I worded it wrong. But it appears to me that they basically say that we are all guilty of the very thing they found Suarez guilty of.

[Shaggy]

Disagree strongly with that. The fact that blacks use that word unchecked, assuming no white person could possibly be offended by it's use, yet have a hissy fit when it's used by non-blacks clearly flies in the face of everything that anti-race groups are trying to achieve IMO. Blacks who use that phrase want everyone else to tolerate it's use and recognize the black desire,in using it, to observe it's cultural heritage. A privelage our player seems to have been denied.

It's a terrible word and I've never bought into this whole 'reclaiming' thing.

Someone said the other day one of the last words Stephen Lawrence heard, possibly the very last, before being murdered was "******". Try telling his family that it's okay in some circumstances.

[marcus50bucks]

Disagree strongly with that. The fact that blacks use that word unchecked, assuming no white person could possibly be offended by it's use, yet have a hissy fit when it's used by non-blacks clearly flies in the face of everything that anti-race groups are trying to achieve IMO. Blacks who use that phrase want everyone else to tolerate it's use and recognize the black desire,in using it, to observe it's cultural heritage. A privelage our player seems to have been denied.

Whether you agree or not it will always be the case where many black people will openly use the word nigga to refer to each other but will not tollerate white people using the word. I think you would have to be pretty damn naive and ignorant if you don't understand why they would never tollerate white people using it.

[Neil Young]

It's a terrible word and I've never bought into this whole 'reclaiming' thing.

Someone said the other day one of the last words Stephen Lawrence heard, possibly the very last, before being murdered was "******". Try telling his family that it's okay in some circumstances.

Hmm. So opinion among black people is divided on it. But I'm really not sure that it's remotely significant whether a white person "buys into it" or not.

[marcus50bucks]

It's a terrible word and I've never bought into this whole 'reclaiming' thing.

Someone said the other day one of the last words Stephen Lawrence heard, possibly the very last, before being murdered was "******". Try telling his family that it's okay in some circumstances.

I've never bought into the reclaiming thing either but no disrespect Shaggy as a white person you'll never fully understand the whole reclaiming thing anyway. Don't take offence mate.