Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Exiled_red]

None that I can see, not least because I think I'm right in saying he'd still be suspended for 8 games when he got back from the loan.

[McDermotX]

None that I can see, not least because I think I'm right in saying he'd still be suspended for 8 games when he got back from the loan.

Only a throwaway comment.

More than likely he would be prevented, apart from looking for a loophole that prevents being available for Liverpool for 8 games, yet able to play outside the country.

You'd think the FA rules in place are secure enough to prevent such a thing happening, but they're not exactly noted for their professionalism.

[Rich]

He should definitely go away for a week or so with his family. Remember at the start of the season we were worried about burn out after the Copa America. Ideal opportunity for a holiday.

[Red_Polo]

Only a throwaway comment.

Yeah I thought as much

Still, you've got to get in there quick or before you know it you've got page after page of folk talking about which team to send him to

More than likely he would be prevented, apart from looking for a loophole that prevents being available for Liverpool for 8 games, yet able to play outside the country.

You'd think the FA rules in place are secure enough to prevent such a thing happening, but they're not exactly noted for their professionalism.

Nor competency

[Vermilion]

So if we could, which team would you all send him to on his busmans holiday, and don't say.... Lazio!

[The Birdman]

To be fair, if he wants to stay with the team then he should be allowed to.

Complete rubbish.
It's vastly different but back in the day I got sent off for fighting with the Arsenal keeper in a reserve team game (handbags, didn't deserve a red!), got a 3 match ban and due to the weather I didn't play again for 1 month, during that month I trained twice a day 5 days a week and that played a factor in the demise of my 'career' as I stopped enjoying football.

Now clearly football has moved on and the only thing I have/had in common with Suarez is that we are both males but the point is he will get fed up, frustrated and angry at coming into training without any hope of a game.

He should, imo be banned from the training ground for his own good and the club should make him take a holiday, 1 month is a hell of a long time to be training without being able to play.

Every footballer I knew/know views it as a job, a place of work with everything geared towards getting into the team and playing games. It's very repetitive with the same things being done on the same days every week.

Suarez's enthusiam for playing football shines through, we don't want him losing that because he feels he should be training

[Chris]

Complete rubbish.

Haha! So you know Luis Suarez better than he knows himself? What was it you were saying about complete rubbish?!

but the point is he will get fed up, frustrated and angry at coming into training without any hope of a game.

This is all just guesswork not fact. Of course he'd rather be playing, but equally he might also prefer to be around his team mates having a laugh in times like this rather than stewing over it on a beach with his missus.

[Chazza]

Liverpool to complain to FA over handling of Luis Suarez case and demand reform of disciplinary process

Liverpool will seek urgent talks with the Football Association chairman, David Bernstein, to demand reform of the disciplinary procedures that led to the suspension of Luis Suárez.

Although the Merseyside club have now accepted the eight-game ban, their anger at the guilty verdict has not diminished and the means by which the punishment was reached remains a matter of dispute.

Senior club officials are to contact Bernstein to register a series of complaints about the handling of the Suárez case, and request a thorough inquiry into how future incidents of this nature are dealt with.

They will even consider asking the FA if it would be prepared to take such a case to the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport to enable a player to clear his name beyond the English governing body’s jurisdiction. However, for Liverpool to have taken the Suárez case that far would have required the FA’s agreement.

Liverpool believe judging such an incendiary case involving alleged racial abuse should never have been based on ‘the balance of probability’ as the Commission was entitled to do. It could be argued a higher threshold of guilt, as will be required in the forthcoming John Terry race abuse case in the criminal courts, is justified.

In a criminal trial, Suárez’s guilt would have had to be established ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ and, such was the seriousness of the charge, Liverpool’s lawyers believe the same weight of evidence should have been required.

Suárez, Liverpool argue, was found guilty on the kind of subjective evidence which would never have been given credibility in a court of law. The club believe Patrice Evra’s allegations would have been thrown out if pursued by the Crown Prosecution Service and believe the same standards should be applied.

Liverpool are also unhappy that the Independent Regulatory Commission, led by Paul Goulding QC, was selected by the FA, which was itself bringing the charges. They feel this represents a conflict of interest where the accusers are in effect selecting the jurors. That brings into dispute the notion of full independence.

Although Liverpool were within their rights to challenge the make-up of the commission and made no representation to oppose its members, they say it would have been pointless to do so because the FA would also have picked its replacements.

For a commission to be genuinely independent, it is Liverpool’s view that the FA should not have jurisdiction on who sits on it.

There are numerous aspects of the 115-page written report which Liverpool continue to find inconsistent with the commission’s findings.

Liverpool are unhappy that Evra was granted three meetings with the FA and given access to video evidence well in advance of the December hearing.

It is Liverpool’s belief that Evra was coached by the FA disciplinary team before meeting the commission, enabling him to piece together his version of events to tally with the footage and appear more consistent in his verbal evidence than he had been in earlier statements.

Suárez, who did not have access to the same video evidence until he sat in front of the commission, according to Liverpool, inevitably had a sketchier memory of what had happened at particular points of the game which had been played two months earlier. This made him seem less sure of what took place at certain moments considered of importance by the commission.

Despite all these concerns, Liverpool still decided not to appeal against the suspension and fine because they felt it would have been an exercise in futility given that they would have been working within the same procedures. A new panel, appointed by the FA, could have reduced the ban but would have had no power to overturn the verdict

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...y-process.html

[Craig_H]

Complete rubbish.
It's vastly different but back in the day I got sent off for fighting with the Arsenal keeper in a reserve team game (handbags, didn't deserve a red!), got a 3 match ban and due to the weather I didn't play again for 1 month, during that month I trained twice a day 5 days a week and that played a factor in the demise of my 'career' as I stopped enjoying football.

Now clearly football has moved on and the only thing I have/had in common with Suarez is that we are both males but the point is he will get fed up, frustrated and angry at coming into training without any hope of a game.

He should, imo be banned from the training ground for his own good and the club should make him take a holiday, 1 month is a hell of a long time to be training without being able to play.

Every footballer I knew/know views it as a job, a place of work with everything geared towards getting into the team and playing games. It's very repetitive with the same things being done on the same days every week.

Suarez's enthusiam for playing football shines through, we don't want him losing that because he feels he should be training

[Jack D Rips]

I suppose he is going to be fresh for the run in.

Think he's had enough run ins for a while

[Helios Creed]

Is the result of this case that there are now certain words that aren't allowed to be used at all on a football pitch in any context, or is it the case that you can use these words but not in an offensive or aggressive manner? Because there seem to be mixed messages in the articles I've been reading.

If the former is the case then it should follow that any player who uses the words regardless of colour, background or context should be charged and if found guilty receive a ban.

I think they've basically said that you are not allowed to say anything that upsets Evra - it becomes then by definition racist.

[DKdan]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...y-process.html

Great article. And we might just get our final say in this case then.

Grand of us to accept the ban, but complain about the handling with a view of changing the system.

Brilliant move by the club if true. I hope the media gives it some fair coverage (who am I kidding!)

[Helios Creed]

No mate weren't aiming that at you at all. I personally don't use it myself but have black friends that occasionally refer to each other as nigga. I would definitely educate my children not to use it and explain to them the history of the word.

The problem is that there are white people who think that it is ok to use it in its new context because they hear black people do it, which might be OK if it wasn't still in use in its old context... I just wish it would die out and become as archaic and impotent as other racial hate words that have fallen into disuse - some Alf Garnett era ones would almost sound comical if used in anger these days.

Hollow once posted a link to a Richard Pryor routine where he explained that he no longer used it to describe himself for confrontational purposes as he no longer felt that he was considered one, which to me meant that society had made encouraging steps for the better even during his career. I wish it could be consigned to history for good.

[Shaggy]

[wavydavy]

While the FA and the media have exploded with outrage over the whole incident one gets the feeling that that is it. They've slung all the **** they're capable of. I believe LFC may well have kept some of it's powder dry.Am I imagining this or are things casting either our stance in a positive light or the FA in a less strong position slowly creeping into the public domain. The reports in this morning's paper certainly seem less aggressive than previous days and as I've said earlier I still believe Kenny is telling the truth over his revelation of the whole tale not being told.I think this ain't over by a long way.