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    John Barnes' Times article on race:

    "It’s not about football, it’s about destroying modern myths of colour, race and superiority

    In 1987 a black friend of mine went into a shop to buy a coat. He asked the assistant if they had it in black and she said no, they only had it in ****** brown. She was a lovely woman, but what would we say if that happened today?

    If I were to ask players of my generation if they had made a racist comment in a football match, anyone honest would almost certainly say yes. No one batted an eyelid 20 years ago. Now when Alan Hansen says “coloured” rather than “black” (because black used to be an insult) or Luis Suárez says “negrito”, everyone jumps up and down to distance themselves from such remarks. They believe racism has been consigned to the past.

    When Thierry Henry led the campaign to kick racism out of football it might have changed attitudes towards Henry, but it didn’t change anything for the black guy on the Holloway Road. I am often asked if black players can make good managers. That is an inherently racist question, built on an assumption that a manager’s qualities are based on colour, even though the people asking it don’t mean it to be.

    The Football Association ticks all the right boxes with its policies and campaigns, the Government passes legislation, the Prime Minister gets involved because someone didn’t shake someone’s hand, people queue up to say ignorance is no excuse. But they are wrong. Ignorance is the excuse. To stop it, we have to start talking seriously about race.

    The idea that race is about colour is relatively modern. When Aristotle spoke about races he was differentiating between uncivilised barbarians and civilised Greeks. But it was introduced by governments, backed by the Church, to validate slavery and colonialism, to justify treating some people as less equal than others. Just as Linnaeus classified plants, so people were classified by the colour of their skin. Academics tried to prove differences in skull formation to give scientific support to the idea that black people were morally and intellectually inferior.

    But race is not a scientific reality. You could find a tribe in Africa who are genetically closer to Europeans than to an African tribe a hundred miles away. Some Saudis have whiter skin than Italians.

    The notion of “whiteness” is an ideology of superiority. Nothing similar has ever existed in black culture. Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda do not see themselves as the same. When the Labour MP Diane Abbott talked on Twitter about “divide and rule” her claims depended on a sense of black identity that wasn’t correct.

    Empires that conquer new territory find they cannot impose their own ideas for long. The only way to evolve is to assimilate cultures. The Greeks and Romans learnt that and we are learning it now in Britain.

    In the 1970s when the Arsenal and England footballer Ian Wright arrived from Jamaica, his family would have retained their Caribbean identity. And Tony Adams, his Arsenal and England team-mate, would have had his English culture. But their children, like other black, white and Asian children, have grown up together and formed a new British culture.

    I was on a train listening to four boys who all sounded like Vicky Pollard. One was black and one was white and, in what sounds like a joke, the others were Asian and Chinese. Their shared culture superseded any sense of race.

    It would probably be the same for John Terry and Anton Ferdinand. If they were at a nightclub they would be more likely to gravitate to each other because they wear the same jeans and move in the same world than to someone of the same colour who had nothing in common with them.

    As long as racism exists in society it will exist in football. Passing laws saying it is illegal might stop fans shouting abuse in public, but it won’t stop racist feelings any more than theft laws stop people stealing. It won’t stop if we ban players who make racist remarks.

    As football finds itself at the heart of arguments about handshakes and insults, let’s use it to make real progress. There is a positive change between the generations and we can speed that up by destroying some basic myths about colour, race and superiority.
    Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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      Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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        Originally posted by Mostar View Post
        http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ftcaed

        John Barnes' Times article on race:
        Wow that is the single most intelligent thing I have ever seen anyone connected to football say. Speechless, he nails it, I am a little wiser for having read that.
        Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
        #****CITY

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          We all are.

          To be honest I have no idea that he is so intelligent and I didn't mean that in any disrespectful way.
          Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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            John Barnes seriously how intelligent is that guy
            Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
            #****CITY

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              Yep another good piece there from Barnes.

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                Well in Barnesy lad! Racism would also be less of a problem if the tabloid press ****ed off.
                YNWA

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                  Very brilliantly said JB.

                  liked this bit...
                  I am often asked if black players can make good managers. That is an inherently racist question, built on an assumption that a manager’s qualities are based on colour, even though the people asking it don’t mean it to be.

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                    John Barnes should be at the forefront of the racism discussion at Downing Street.

                    He nails every issue about racism, and shows up the hypocrisy and ludicrousness in modern society.

                    I guess we'll have to stick to the deadly quartet of Cameron, Taylor, Roberts and Carlisle instead.

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                      After reading John Barnes' comments over the last few weeks and months he should be involved in some capacity in the discussions about racism in football. He talks alot of sense, he has been a high profile footballer who has a good knowledge of the game and has been on the receiving end of racism abuse. His opinions are certainly worth listening to.
                      The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                        Originally posted by Phoenix06 View Post
                        I guess we'll have to stick to the deadly quartet of Cameron, Taylor, Roberts and Carlisle instead.
                        :shudder:

                        It would be refreshing for the FA to acknowledge how they could have treated the situation better and how they were looking to address any future issues.

                        Can't see it mind.

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                          question: is it there any newspaper which gave quite objectively article about this incident? i mean, what the ****. we're quite ****ed mentally now. :/

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                            What would have been really fun is if suarez had one of those prank toys, those electric buzzers or what the you call it, when shaking Evra's hand. Imagine his reaction. Would have either caused a riot or make everyone laugh. Silly I know, but still
                            Last edited by pondus; 14-02-12, 12:24 PM.

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                              Would love to hear JB's views on the discriminations that still exist for young Asian footballers trying to make it. Another day perhaps.
                              "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                                After Barnes' eloquent views on the subject of racism........everyone's favourite racist hopes Twitter has died down enough to chime in.

                                Piara Powar, executive director of Football Against Racism in Europe, said the move, although overdue, was needed for the healing process to begin.

                                "The apologies are welcome, it's definitely a step in the right direction," he told Sky Sports News. "I would say it probably is time now that we started to heal, we started to look at the issues that have been thrown up and we move forward as people are calling for.

                                "I think there are still some unresolved questions Liverpool need to look at.

                                "There's still some lessons for the rest of us that we need to consider in the coming weeks, but it's not too late, it's never too late to say sorry.

                                "I think it shows British football has a lot to do really. There's a number of questions that have struck us and one of those is clubs need to stop paying lip service and really take some of these social issues seriously.

                                "And they (Liverpool) need to think about how they manage star players.

                                "Clearly Kenny Dalglish's concern here was to manage Luis Suarez and his protestations of innocence.

                                "But is it enough to say Luis Suarez is a top player for Liverpool FC, therefore we have to pull out the stops and damage our own reputation?

                                "I don't think it is and I think that's something clubs need to look at very carefully."
                                And he knows a thing or two about racism
                                "I will make the boys feel your support"
                                Jurgen Klopp June 2020

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