Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[PTP]

Strange that so many should offer up alternative explanations. Must be a regional thing. Heard it first hand and had it explained to me, it's essentially sweetheart or mate.

Other accounts, from Spanish based English people and even Spanish Reds have offered similarly acceptable explanations.

interestingly I spoke with my mate from peru last night, and asked him about it all and he said he was shocked by it all - couldn't understand the uproar, and that 'negrito' is used every day by everyone and not at all racist.

he did add though, that having lived in england for a number of years he can see why it is or could be thought of as offensive here and that whilst he would openly use the term back home, he doesn't here

[dom9]

This bugs me, after all this time with no footage or sound evidence from sky, why if Suarez really meant to racially insult...would he now admit to using certain words with the caviat added of they were'nt meant as racial slurs but just banter, sort of says to me that he really did'nt mean to be racial and really believes that what he said was'nt racist ?

Otherwise, if he really felt they were and intended them to be racist, he'd say and admit to nawt surely ?

Is footage required? It is pretty much accepted that Suarez said something.

What he said could be the word 'negrito' or something worse.

If there was footage, I imagine that it could be difficult to decipher exactly which word was said.

A lot of this seems to be down to context and intepretation. If all involved accept that the word 'negrito' was used, then footage is not required. Placing the incident within a context is what the FA would have to do.

Anyway, we'll hopefully find out soon enough.

[Gibbo]

According to a translator Carlos Lopez, Negrito literally means, “little black one,” or, in modern usage, simply “darling” or “dear little one.” But other words in the text leave no doubt about the setting of this “black” lullaby.

Hm, did he definately say negrito? Did he say this himself? Because little black one can be interpreted very differently to the other two

[dom9]

Hm, did he definately say negrito? Did he say this himself? Because little black one can be interpreted very differently to the other two

We don't know. Hence umpteen pages of speculation.

[Exiled_red]

We don't know. Hence umpteen pages of speculation.

[Vermilion]

Is footage required? It is pretty much accepted that Suarez said something.

What he said could be the word 'negrito' or something worse.

If there was footage, I imagine that it could be difficult to decipher exactly which word was said.

A lot of this seems to be down to context and intepretation. If all involved accept that the word 'negrito' was used, then footage is not required. Placing the incident within a context is what the FA would have to do.

Anyway, we'll hopefully find out soon enough.

That's what i mean though, regardless of the footage thing then, just admitting he said 'something' when he did'nt have to makes me think he thinks and belives what he said was done in innocence and without racist intent, if he thought otherwise...he'd say nothing and admit to saying nothing.

[Nicey]

Gus Poyet is a Legend

[Norbs]

Is footage required? It is pretty much accepted that Suarez said something.

What he said could be the word 'negrito' or something worse.

If there was footage, I imagine that it could be difficult to decipher exactly which word was said.

A lot of this seems to be down to context and intepretation. If all involved accept that the word 'negrito' was used, then footage is not required. Placing the incident within a context is what the FA would have to do.

Anyway, we'll hopefully find out soon enough.

I've just said both words out loud (negrito and the n-word) and there's a massive difference in the way the mouth is formed, footage should be able to clarify.

PS Kids, I'm at home on my own don't start doing this in your office

[RichC]

I'm starting to feel that Luis is going to get made an example of with this.

He's had almost a Rafa esq dismantling in the press and I think all the negative publicity which in general he's been wrongly accused of will go against him.

Obviously whilst I expect with Luis getting the book thrown at him St John will be cleared of all wrong doing and lauded as an example for all young players to look up to and follow

[Jack D Rips]

It was the Guardian that came up with the word "Negrito" as an example of a word that could have different interpretations. Everyone then seemed to run with the idea that that was the word he used or admitted using.

Incidentally on my latin American Spainsh/English translator Negrito translates as "boldface"

Also, at the risk of a dressing down from dom9, I am totally convinced that Ferguson is the one driving this on.

[Reece]

I'm starting to feel that Luis is going to get made an example of with this.

He's had almost a Rafa esq dismantling in the press and I think all the negative publicity which in general he's been wrongly accused of will go against him.

Obviously whilst I expect with Luis getting the book thrown at him St John will be cleared of all wrong doing and lauded as an example for all young players to look up to and follow

I don't actually think he will (seems like the police want to charge him anyway), but it is utterly bizarre how the press have really gone for Luis, whilst with Terry, despite there being clear evidence of shouting offensive words (albeit with a cloudy context), he seems to be being given the benefit of the doubt.

Xenophobic press much?

[banditos]

Spanish mate of mine tells me that the closest translation of negrito he can think of is the derogatory 'boy' that was (is?) often used to address black men. I'm hoping it has a somewhat less derogatory meaning in Uruguay, otherwise Luis could be in trouble.

[Maxiedge]

All this 'fight racism' stuff is bull****. It's just superficial.

If people think that by wearing a badge, armband or having your face in a poster campaign means that you now have an all-conquering love for all people and races...bull-crap. It's intrinsic in the way you are bought up, educated and your experiences.

I have more respect for Sepp Blatter as he's completely honest and yes, he did sound like he wanted to sweep the issue under the carpet a bit, but I'd rather listen to him than the superficial crap from footballers like David Beckham who honestly couldn't give two ****s as they're living in their own cosy worlds and are just programmed to say the 'right thing'.

At least with Blatter you know where you stand. He's not just a PR bitch.

[BillobShaisley]

I don't actually think he will (seems like the police want to charge him anyway), but it is utterly bizarre how the press have really gone for Luis, whilst with Terry, despite there being clear evidence of shouting offensive words (albeit with a cloudy context), he seems to be being given the benefit of the doubt.

Xenophobic press much?

It could be that there is more chance of a court case happening with Terry and the press shouldn't be predjudicing any trial by speculating too much.

[Reece]

It could be that there is more chance of a court case happening with Terry and the press shouldn't be predjudicing any trial by speculating too much.

Yeah you're probably right.