Evra accuses Suarez of racism

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briankettle Not Brian Kettle
Video of Hernandez using word "negrito" explained by fact that Suarez travelled back four years in time and told him to. (All media outlets)

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http://www.chivascampeon.com/noticia/2009/

Recién desempacado de Sudamérica, donde participó en una gira de preparación por Argentina con la Selección Mexicana Sub-20, el joven delantero del Guadalajara Javier "Chicharito" Hernández, se pone a las órdenes de José Manuel "Chepo" De La Torre para esta fase de Liguilla con las Chivas.

Provechosa considero la gira del Tricolor Sub-20, Javier Hernández: "Nos fue muy bien en Argentina. Ir a Sudamérica nos sirve de fogueo para lo que venga, ya sea Mundial Sub-20 o Juegos Panamericanos"
El joven delantero establece que regresa a Chivas con toda la disponibilidad de ser útil: "Estamos al 100% para trabajar con intensidad, a las órdenes del Técnico y con mucha humildad para colaborar con el equipo en esta Liguilla, donde se busca el bicampeonato"

"Chicharito" Hernández, destaca el gol anotado ayer por otro joven como Omar Esparza, en la victoria ante Tigres: " Me gustó mucho el gol del Negrito (Omar Esparza), creo que es una muestra de que los jóvenes de Chivas, estamos listos para responder en juegos importantes como los de Liguilla. Por mi parte seguiré trabajando con humildad para ganarme una oportunidad.

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It's all Suarez's fault!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/suarez-only-has-himself-to-blame-for-storm-over-alleged-slur-6263926.html

Suarez 'only has himself to blame' for storm over alleged slur

Striker had chance to apologise, says Kick It Out – but Poyet accuses Evra of 'crying like a baby'

Luis Suarez has only himself to blame for the racism charge he now faces because he failed to apologise for, or personally explain, the Spanish slang which he claims has been the cause of the anger felt by Manchester United's Patrice Evra, the Kick it Out organisation said last night.

Liverpool are preparing a defence of the Uruguayan striker which will centre on the striker's declaration that he used a word which Evra's "team-mates at Manchester call him." That word might be negrito, which means "little black man" in Spanish, but is used in South America both as a term of endearment and as a gentle wind-up.

It is possible that an apology for any perceived slight could have enabled Liverpool to avoid a Football Association commission hearing which left their manager, Kenny Dalglish, reflecting yesterday on how his club have been on the receiving end of a series of perceived injustices from the football authorities. But none has been forthcoming, with the first public suggestion that Suarez used any slang coming when he addressed the Uruguyan press last week.

A spokesman for Kick It Out said last night: "It would appear that Patrice Evra had no other option than to lodge a complaint in the absence of an apology or any sort of explanation. The process has begun and we await the outcome."

The FA's decision, on Tuesday evening, to charge Suarez with abuse that "included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra" divided opinion intensely yesterday, with the Uruguayan Football Association (AUF) preparing to throw its weight behind Liverpool's attempts to demonstrate that Suarez is not guilty.

Liverpool are preparing a defence which will centre on the allegedly benign nature of slang derived from the Spanish word for black, negro. The AUF is seeking help from the Uruguayan Embassy in London and its own Foreign Office as it seeks to bolster that aspect of the case for the impending hearing.

The sense of indignation felt by Uruguayans was also graphically revealed when the Brighton & Hove Albion manager, Gustavo Poyet, accused Evra of "crying like a baby" over alleged racist comments and another to join the Suarez cause last night was Liverpool's first black player, Howard Gayle, who insisted Liverpool would not support the player if he were guilty.

Poyet is concerned that the charges brought against his compatriot set a dangerous precedent. "I believe [with] Luis Suarez, it's simple," he said. "I played football for seven years in Spain and was called everything, because I was from South America , and I never went out crying like a baby, like Patrice Evra, saying that someone said something to me. I'm really sad about this charge because it's going to become too easy. I can make a complaint about any opposition manager, and if I take it as far as I can he's going to get charged. Why are we going to take one person's word over another one's? It's too risky."

Poyet, 44 , claimed there was insufficient evidence against Suarez, though the FA has been acutely aware of the linguistic complexities of the case. Its painstaking work on linguistic nuance has largely contributed to the investigation taking five weeks and careful reading of the more serious of two charges could see Suarez escape relatively lightly if he is found to have included a reference to the "colour" or Evra, rather than "ethnic origin" or "race." There is a significant difference between the Spanish word for black – negro, of which negrito is a derivation – and the same word in its widely understood racial context. The substantial number of United players interviewed by the FA may be key to the commission hearing.

Dalglish said Liverpool had felt they were on the receiving end of a lot. "Everybody at every football club thinks that someone can do better or be more helpful but you just get on with it," he said. "Most of the time you don't want to say anything but if you don't say anything they'll walk all over you. They might still walk all over us anyway but you've got to justify yourself, you've got to have an opinion and you've got to make a statement of a belief you've got. At the end of the day we know we've got to play the game and we will play it but it doesn't mean we haven't got an opinion about when we're playing it and it also doesn't mean to say we've got an excuse. "

The manager, who said he wanted the commission to do its work "quickly but correctly," insisted that the charge hanging over Suarez would not affect his form "for any other reason than, like everyone else, sometimes you don't play as well as you are capable of playing."

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poyet was saying the same today - who was the player....colombian i think.....fernando caceres??

he said he was known throughout world football as negrito/negro caceres, by players, managers, commentators, media, caceres himself.

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Javier Hernandez on Omar Esparza's goal, vs Tigers: "I liked the goal of the Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign of Chivas' youth."

Just sent this to Talk Spite.

**** Skyrim just installed................bye.

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Brighton manager Gus Poyet has offered to testify in court to defend Liverpool striker Luis Suarez.

Suarez, 24, was charged by the Football Association on Wednesday with racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra in October.

But Poyet told talkSPORT: "I know Luis very well and I will go to court if someone wants to prove he's not racist.

"I can assure you and everyone Luis is not a racist. We use different words and it is a different situation."


Poyet moved to England with Chelsea in 1997 and had a spell with Tottenham before moving into coaching at Swindon and then Leeds.

He believes his fellow Uruguayan Suarez needs time to adapt to the cultural differences of playing in the Premier League and feels the English game does not do enough to help foreign players.

He said: "You cannot accuse people without a proper investigation, especially when it's a foreigner who is coming from a different place where we treat people of colour in a different way.

"So it was very easy to accuse someone. Luis Suarez is 100% not a racist.

"Me, I'm not racist. I've lived with people of different colours in different countries and I adapted to every single situation. Suarez needs to adapt to England, and England needs to adapt to the players that come here.

"England needs to understand how the rest of the world lives. If we have that understanding, easy."


Evra made his claims immediately after the 1-1 draw on 15 October and was quoted as telling French TV station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see [Suarez] say a certain word to me at least 10 times."

But Poyet believes Suarez has no case to answer.

"You are not racist when you go against one, but you are if you go against the whole world of different colour and nationalities. That is being racist, not saying one word in one moment," he added.

"If that's what you want, fair enough. I take it and accept it. I had to behave in a different way because I've been in England for 13 years. So I know what you are like and I adapt to that.

"Give Suarez another six months and I think he'll be how you want him to be." BBC

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****ing gob****e cunt

DiscoMirror David McDonnell
Fergie on Suarez/Evra row. "FA asked us not to say anything & we've abided by that. Liverpool have been drip-feeding stuff out."

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John Barnes gets it spot on there.

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****ing gob****e cunt

I cannot stand that mother ****er.

That said, Luis hasn't helped himself but coming out and speaking about it.

Why say anything??

It would be misunderstood anyway..

[Jack D Rips]

It was the Guardian that came up with the word "Negrito" as an example of a word that could have different interpretations. Everyone then seemed to run with the idea that that was the word he used or admitted using.

Incidentally on my latin American Spainsh/English translator Negrito translates as "boldface"

Also, at the risk of a dressing down from dom9, I am totally convinced that Ferguson is the one driving this on.

Yes indeedy

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****ing gob****e cunt

so kenny got on the phone to gus poyet and said, "alright gus, you're from south america and speak english, fancy doing us a favour and going on talk sport and say the following...cheers pal"

also - i do remember the fa telling Man Utd not to comment...which they ****ing have been doing any way via drip feeding.....however i do not recall the fa telling Liverpool not to comment?

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It's all Suarez's fault!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...r-6263926.html

I don't agree with what the kick it out person said, Evra never said anything to the referee at the time, so if it was a misunderstanding, if Evra didn't mention it at the time how is Suarez to know what he had said was taken the wrong way? The first anyone knew was when Evra told the press, at that point it was too late to make a private apology.

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Just catching up the last few pages on my phone so apologies if this has already been pointed out but is there any chance Suarez was referring to Evra being French (i.e. frog) rather than about his skin colour?

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Mr can go and swivel, ****ing manc cunt

Poyet for speaking out

[ChesterDave]

Read John Barnes article.

Barnes' article counts for **** compared to the question. So ****ing what if white people haven't had the historical racist abuse that black people have, if his insult refers to race or skin colour then its racist.

A spade is a spade