Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Tee]

Oh come on ..... It's not racist but it was designed to wind him up ... It's like me calling sweetheart

The context and words Suarez used might not have been, but if someone said it in English it would be highly offensive and clearly racist.

[Craig_H]

I'm sure you wouldn't use either but I mean as a derogatory term would they be equally as offensive to you?

Well different people are offended by different things and in different amounts.

The term 'p**i' is vile and yes, it's horribly offensive. The reason that making racist comments to a black person is deemed 'more offensive' than to a white person, is that white people didnt suffer the oppression and slavery etc, that black people did - which of course, is true. Did people from Pakistan?

In which case, is 'you p**i *******' less offensive then, than 'you black *******'?


As for your original question, i'd put it this way - just the idea of disrciminating against people and treating them according to anything like their race, height, gender, age, religion etc, is offensive to me, without going deeper into what particular issue is the one that's being used.

So it's just the idea of discrimination that i find 'offensive' and wrong, without needing to delve into what particular thing is being used as a tool for discrinmination.

[Red_Polo]

This is in no way passing judgement on what you've said, but merely just stating my own viewpoint - but in terms of discrimination, i dont personally differentiate between types and consider some to be less damaging and ugly than others.

Some slurs are worse than others yes, but to me, that's along the lines of saying that calling someone a 'cunt' is worse than calling them a 'wally' (for example).

When it comes to discrimination, prejudice, treating people differently based on things which go beyond their own control and are independent from their character, personality and the type of person they are, i dont personally consider some to be worse or better than others. I think they're all wrong and i wouldnt seek to 'rank' them in order of wrongness.

As i say, just my own viewpoint. I'm not saying you're wrong, but in terms of how i was brought up, to me, all types of discrimination are equally as bad.

I too think they are all wrong, but I wouldn't put someone calling me a '****ing sheepshagger' in the same league as someone calling me a '****ing Pak1'. I can't see us having a meeting of the minds here though, think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one

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If you ignore the headline it sounds more like he was saying he was accused
of being a race traitor. I wonder if Vieira ever had the same issue?

My brother-in-law is a Mexican of Lebanese decent, 3rd cousin of Carlos Slim, he is slightly darker than the average over here and his family and friends call him Negrito, it is a term of endearment over here.

Nicknames that reflect a 'description' of someone like 'little pea' (FFS) and 'Hulk' etc is the norm here.

The British xenophobic media must have Latin American staff who should be defending their culture, where are they?

I thought it was weird when I first found out all these expressions to, but you need to be open minded and try to understand the complete different way of seeing things and the fact that the literal translation does not convey the same meaning. 'Mi negra' for instance translated literally sounds a bit ****ed up, but then a friend of mine put it to me that it's also normal to call someone 'blondie' there and this is like a flipside to it.

So you could say there would be a sad irony if Suarez was found guilty for using such a term in that it would only be deemed racist out to the failings of the FA to comprehend another culture. As you say, over there it is normal to refer to someone's characteristics without it being offensive, something not so common here.

[fah-q]

What is most depressing about this case is a lot of people on both sides and in the media are using this to point score rather than deal with the issues at hand.

I can't take any media outlet seriously who rail against racism on one hand whilst equating foreign with all things bad i.e. Cheating foreigners, foreign ownership, foreign national manager, etc.

I also find it telling that Fergie came out against Poyets comments claiming they were badly timed and silly but failed to state they were wrong.

[Chrono]

I'm not challenging you, I was just interested if the two held the same weight of offence to you. I don't see any harm in you finding them equally as offensive, was just interested.

Edit: Apologies, meant to quote your previous post, Craig.

[Nicey]

The context and words Suarez used might not have been, but if someone said it in English it would be highly offensive and clearly racist.

Sure but in Spanish it has an almost feminine sweet endearing meaning ... I have said it all along ... He was winding him up but not in a racial way ... If I thought he was I would not defend him in any shape or form

[Mostar]

If Suarez is convicted on the say so of Patrice "everyone's a racist" Evra. Then it will set a dangerous precedent.

Imo the problem is Suarez talked to the press and admited that he used the words that could be considered as racial slurs.

Imo tables have turned cause If he only had kept his mouth closed, the burden of proof would have been on FA to prove allegations, which would be very difficult to do as I cannot see what type of conclusive evidence they may possess that no one else has seen or heard about it (except Evra's statement), and now the onus will be on Suarez to explain the words he used and context in which he expressed them.

To me he spoke out about incident irrationally and without much thinking, and that public gesture, even if he had no real intent to offend "the cunt" nor he is a racist, will be seen in the completely different light and no matter how good his explanation may be and it will leave the seed of doubt that will imo work against him.

[Leyton388]

Anyway it doesn't matter what the real meaning of Negrito means as the xenophobic british press and Sir **** have already decided that they know best.

[Craig_H]

I too think they are all wrong, but I wouldn't put someone calling me a '****ing sheepshagger' in the same league as someone calling me a '****ing Pak1'. I can't see us having a meeting of the minds here though, think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one

Nah, i get that mate and i totally see the distinction. My point was more that, before even getting into the 'thing' that's being used as a 'weapon' for discriminating against someone, just the sheer concept of it in itself, is beyond the pale.

I'd also seek to ask whether there might be a case for saying that distinguishing, for example, between racism against a black person and racism against a white person, and finding a differential between the two in terms of 'wrongness', almost in itself, is bordering on 'discriminating' - as it suggests that one race deserves 'protecting' more than the other - and whilst i get the reference to slavery and oppression in the past, i still find it a little uneasy to distinguish between the two, when it comes to saying that racism against one is 'worse' than that against the other. If that makes sense?

[Craig_H]

I'm not challenging you, I was just interested if the two held the same weight of offence to you. I don't see any harm in you finding them equally as offensive, was just interested.

Edit: Apologies, meant to quote your previous post, Craig.

To be honest mate, speaking personally, very little really does 'offend' me - if i heard someone being racially abusive, i'd think they were a cunt and a vile piece of work - but i wouldnt be 'offended' in the sense that i'd be shocked or 'hurt' by it - and i think that's a consequence of almost being desensitised to it, courtesy of how society is nowadays - and that is a shame in itself.

[IN_RAFA_WE_TRUST]

My brother-in-law is a Mexican of Lebanese decent, 3rd cousin of Carlos Slim, he is slightly darker than the average over here and his family and friends call him Negrito, it is a term of endearment over here.

Nicknames that reflect a 'description' of someone like 'little pea' (FFS) and 'Hulk' etc is the norm here.

The British xenophobic media must have Latin American staff who should be defending their culture, where are they?

We must kill this man.
He had contact to the worlds richest man

[Frenchie]

We must kill this man.
He had contact to the worlds richest man

eh?

[Nicey]

Anyway it doesn't matter what the real meaning of Negrito means as the xenophobic british press and Sir **** have already decided that they know best.

No no it really does matter what the real meaning is and that little disingenuous **** is going to get what's coming to him and if there was any justice n the world so would ferguson

[IN_RAFA_WE_TRUST]

Isn't carlos slim the worlds richest man?

you could have put a word in for us when we were looking for a rich new owner.


And what's his security like, $$$$$$

[Jack D Rips]

Imo the problem is Suarez talked to the press and admited that he used the words that could be considered as racial slurs.
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But you dont know that he used those words in the interview do you?

People are making assumptions because a journo used the word as a possible one that would have different meanings