Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Exiled_red]

If Suarez is found guilty is there any chance of some of our players backing up Suarez' claims that the Man Utd players call Evra the same thing, and get them charged with racial abuse?

[Shaggy]

Not Paul Tomkins though

[G]

I think that is highly offensive. Why not just calm down little man?

If he actually said that,i.e. in English,then it would be offensive yes.

But he didn't,he said Calmarse Negrito,its literal translation is " calm down little black man" but that's not what it means to a Spanish speaking person so talking about its English meaning is neither here nor there,which is probably why the FA are making a pigs ear of this.

It means very different things to English people while looking at its literal translation then it does to south Americans speaking it in spanish.

[Reece]

True but people are taking the meaning of negrito to mean 'black man' or 'little black man', people have also pointed out that it could be translated as 'mate' or 'pal'. It's easy to conclude 'calm down little black man' could be taken as racist, 'calm down pal' or 'calm down little fellow' or something similar isn't.

Absolutely, but I was responding to BBB as opposed to the Suarez issue.

[Red_Polo]

Because people are stupid? A slur that references any skin colour is racist. To suggest otherwise is incredibly blinkered.

Well, find someone who did suggest otherwise and I'll back you up on that point. Like I said before, they are both clearly wrong. That doesn't mean they are exactly the same though.

Media influence mainly. White people are not brought up to think the term white man is offensive, replace white with black though and it's a whole other story.

Ok, so unless you think the media representation of racism is completely baseless, you'd logically have to agree there are some genuine grounds for seeing the two slurs differently. I would say the history of oppression and the ongoing problems that have stemmed from that would be the most obvious reasons for the difference in the way the two slurs are perceived. Both slurs are racist and detestable, but one is laden with some pretty toxic ideologies to an extent the other usually isn't.

[Chrono]

To put it simply, does the big difference basically amount to saying that discrimination related to height/gender/age etc is ok, but that related to race isnt?

I'm genuinely trying to understand here because i've always been brought up to know that discrimination is wrong, regardless of whether it's to do with race, height, age, gender, religion etc etc. It's just all wrong.

Of course all discrimination is wrong but there isn't a history of old or short people being enslaved, treated like an inferior species and being restricted from having anything but menial jobs and places in society. I can't imagine that being called a short-arse can be traced back a history of fighting to be equal and suffering at the hands of oppressors.

[Exiled_red]

Absolutely, but I was responding to BBB as opposed to the Suarez issue.

Sorry I must have missed that

This thread is moving too quickly

[Jack D Rips]

The bald assistant/coach at the mancs accused the chelsea groundsman, someone in the crowd accused Finnan. Neither can be put on Evra.

Mike Phelan.

[Craig_H]

Of course all discrimination is wrong but there isn't a history of old or short people being enslaved, treated like an inferior species and being restricted from having anything but menial jobs and places in society. I can't imagine that being called a short-arse can be traced back a history of fighting to be equal and suffering at the hands of oppressors.

I can totally understand this point of view. Moreover though, it just doesnt sit easy with me, or feel 'natural' to attribute one form of discrimination as being any 'better' or 'worse' than another. I see where you're coming from and it's a valid point but that doesnt, to me anyway, result in a kind of 'league table' of discrimination where one is rated as being 'higher' or worse than another. Just my $0.02.

[Shanks]

Not Paul Tomkins though

No intention of misleading..

[Jack D Rips]

Re: Evra accusing load of people

Isn't this in fact the only time he has accused someone of racism though? Didn't the other couple of occasions turn out to be accusations made by others about abuse toward him?

He also accused the Senegal fans of racism when he made a decision to play for France

[Leyton388]

Once again Evra the boy who cried wolf, anytime anyone gets one over him 'THEIR RACIST!', no one will touch ****in JT though will they?

Meanwhile back at the Blatt cave....Sepp plans to shakes Luis hand.

[Pablo]

I think it's time to get Lord Grabiner QC involved!

[Red_Polo]

Yes, but on both occassions he never denied he was racially abused. So he let them face the music as 'racists' rather than saying it was just abuse.

Well I don't know much about the cases, but if you didn't hear someone insult to you it doesn't necessarily mean you're in a position to say they definitely didn't.

The bald assistant/coach at the mancs accused the chelsea groundsman, someone in the crowd accused Finnan. Neither can be put on Evra.

I thought it was someone else about the Chelsea groundsman, going off your description was it Mike Phelan?

I don't think it's acceptable to show prejudice against anyone based on things they have no control over. Why should size discrimination be (more) acceptable?

When purely on basis of height people have been enslaved, socially marginalised and discriminated against, when we have organisations rabidly insistent on their inferiority, when there are damaging prejudices at play relating to their criminality/IQ, I'm sure the slur will carry the same level of dehumanising impact. Thankfully such movements do seem to be in their infancy at the moment though.

[Tee]

I think it's time to get Lord Grabiner QC involved!

Great call. Grabbo would sort this **** out.