Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Shanks]

"Chicharito" Hernandez yesterday highlights the goal scored by another young man as Omar Esparza, in a win over Tigers:
"I liked the goal of the Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign that Chivas youth, we are ready to respond in big games such as playoffs. for my part I will continue working with humility to earn a chance.

So this is the same as maybe.. Dr Dre calling Snoop a N1gger?

[Shaggy]

Why is it? Neither Hernandez or Esparza are black. It clearly strengthens Suarez's case IMO.

[Shanks]

Why is it? Neither Hernandez or Esparza are black. It clearly strengthens Suarez's case IMO.

That's sort of what I meant.. It's ok to use it alongside a friend or same national etc?

[Slinky Skills]

What I don't get is, if Suarez did racially abuse Evra then why didn't Evra say something to the ref there and then.

If I was racially abused I'd be going bersek. From what I can see Evra didn't seem to make a complaint to the ref at that time, instead he left it until after the game.

Surely someone from the FA must have asked themselves this question no?

[ashey]

I thought Suarez spoke to the FA to give his version of events BEFORE he spoke to the Uruguayan press? If so, surely he would have told the FA he'd called Evra "negrita" then?

[Suarez]

Its all a load of sensationalist bollocks. The media in this country are a complete bunch of cunts, building **** like this up into some sort of witch hunt, radio presenters wanting people hung, drawn and quartered to feed the listeners, people in the FA using this and the Blatter stuff for nothing more than political gain and people like Fergie using it to destabilise our club whilst feeding the media machine to show themselves in a better light.

There seems to be very little intelligent debate on this matter in the media for all of the reasons above. If something is said without racist motive is it racism? At worst its simply ignorance. If I've said something that is unintentionally funny, did I tell a joke?

I'm switching off Talksport for good. At least one good things come out of this I suppose.

[Leyton388]

Its all a load of sensationalist bollocks. The media in this country are a complete bunch of cunts, building **** like this up into some sort of witch hunt, radio presenters wanting people hung, drawn and quartered to feed the listeners, people in the FA using this and the Blatter stuff for nothing more than political gain and people like Fergie using it to destabilise our club whilst feeding the media machine to show themselves in a better light.

There seems to be very little intelligent debate on this matter in the media for all of the reasons above. If something is said without racist motive is it racism? At worst its simply ignorance. If I've said something that is unintentionally funny, did I tell a joke?

I'm switching off Talksport for good. At least one good things come out of this I suppose.

Which is why i hope the current phone hacking inquiry will rein the ****s in. There's freedom of the press then there is the press taking the piss and being able to write any made up sensationalist ****.

[Zapater]

Evra is a little black man. Telling him to calm down little black man isn't racist. It's telling it like it is.

Well, the thing is that most white people tend to think that they are not a colour, whilst black people have to carry their colour with them. I.e. If you saw a picture of Gerrard you'd probably describe him as a man. If you saw an image of Evra you'd probably say "black man" considering that the concept of colour is a context based, human construct this implies racism. As Evra isn't really a "black man" he's just a man - we've decided he's of the little, black variety.

[ChesterDave]

Which is why i hope the current phone hacking inquiry will rein the ****s in. There's freedom of the press then there is the press taking the piss and being able to write any made up sensationalist ****.

I really hate the way they claim the same sort of rights and freedoms as the type of people who risk life and liberty to write/blog in countries that have oppressive regimes dictating every aspect of people's life. Seem to want all the rights and no responsibility

[BringbackBiscan]

Well, the thing is that most white people tend to think that they are not a colour, whilst black people have to carry their colour with them. I.e. If you saw a picture of Gerrard you'd probably describe him as a man. If you saw an image of Evra you'd probably say "black man" considering that the concept of colour is a context based, human construct this implies racism. As Evra isn't really a "black man" he's just a man - we've decided he's of the little, black variety.

And I'm sure a black man would describe Gerrard as a white man & Evra has a man, there'd be no problems at all then.

Don't bother throwing up the old they've been enslaved excuse again, it's tiresome, and holds no meaning to me.

[BringbackBiscan]

Also whenever Evra went on French tv, he very cleverly worded it to make it seem like Luis said the main N word. That sly little **** has played this from day one, he knows Luis wasn't be racially abusive towards him.

[Leyton388]

What Evra needs is a nice Razor Ruddock on Andy cole style challenge.

[Suarez]

Well, the thing is that most white people tend to think that they are not a colour, whilst black people have to carry their colour with them. I.e. If you saw a picture of Gerrard you'd probably describe him as a man. If you saw an image of Evra you'd probably say "black man" considering that the concept of colour is a context based, human construct this implies racism. As Evra isn't really a "black man" he's just a man - we've decided he's of the little, black variety.

but then we have things like the Mobo awards and the Black Policemans Association. Are we all the same or are we different? Which way do people want it? If whites see blacks as blacks and blacks want to be seen simply as 'people' are black associations doing more bad than good?

Do black people see a picture of of a caucasian footballer and think of him first as a white man? **** knows, but I'm sure if the majority of white people look at Evra and see a black man first, I sure as hell believe that the majority of black people look at a white fella and think the same too. Is it wrong to do that, does that mean you're racist or is it just human nature?

[Zapater]

Exactly, my point it's part of the Eurocentric society we live in. I've seen the boxer Mayweather for example when he's training yelling "I'm black, rich and pretty" or something along those lines. I've never described myself or heard a white person saying "I'm white..." as a defining characteristic of whom they are.

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, just saying that's the way it is. I don't know how often black people think of white people as "white" unless it's in a predominantly black populas, which is hardly relevant for this topic of discussion.

[sean_lfc]

Its all a load of sensationalist bollocks. The media in this country are a complete bunch of cunts, building **** like this up into some sort of witch hunt, radio presenters wanting people hung, drawn and quartered to feed the listeners, people in the FA using this and the Blatter stuff for nothing more than political gain and people like Fergie using it to destabilise our club whilst feeding the media machine to show themselves in a better light.

There seems to be very little intelligent debate on this matter in the media for all of the reasons above. If something is said without racist motive is it racism? At worst its simply ignorance. If I've said something that is unintentionally funny, did I tell a joke?

I'm switching off Talksport for good. At least one good things come out of this I suppose.

Completely ****ing agree man, the main culprits however aren't just the media and the cunts of journalists, it's the thicker than pig****, completely ****ing inept millions of ****ing dunces in that country that lap it all up, that buy their 20p Daily Star every morning, the ones that read all the ****e coming out of the media as their lives would be completely devoid of all intelligible meaning without the whole press gossip.

You get the same ****e newspapers in every country but by ****ing god, the English have perfected trash journalism and they have definitely perfected breaking people/institutions or whatever down, just to sell more papers - and this is also [and I've said it before] the reason England will never - EVER - E.V.E.R. - win any football tournament again.