Kenny isn't what we need

[dww]

And didnt Adam, Downings and Hendersons stats of last season show they created more goal-scoring opportunities than Maxi (I think they did if I remember correctly)

I have a genuine question about this - I wonder what quality of chances those players are creating. It is a question MattShark has bought up before. The ones that stick in my mind seem pretty good (i.e. Carroll against Swansea) but I'm not sure I have a coherent picture of whether we are overall making more clear cut or half chances than other teams.

I do think that the positioning of players in the box is playing a part though. Carroll in particular never seems to be there for the tap in.

It is however worth people remembering how it went when we tried to bed in Crouch. It worked out pretty well in the end though and I wonder if a similar situation is playing out now.

[Arn]

And didnt Adam, Downings and Hendersons stats of last season show they created more goal-scoring opportunities than Maxi (I think they did if I remember correctly)

Downing played in a completely different system.

Villa used a long ball tactic. A long ball from the back that he or Young chased down and then one of them made crosses into the box to a big strong target player.

Henderson more often than not played as a central midfielder. Adam played in a 4-3-3. He didn't need to take as much defensive responsibility at Blackpool.

[Lecter]

We don't know that, do we.

Maybe he had learned how to play in the PL and gelled into the team. Maybe that is why he scored a lot of goals and created a lot of chances.

Maybe if we give Carroll more game time he will score eleventy goals this season

Maybe he will learn how to convert the chances he has into goals

Maybe if we persist with 4-4-2 our forwards will start converting the numerous chances they have in each game

We just dont know that

[Lecter]

Downing played in a completely different system.

Villa used a long ball tactic. A long ball from the back that he or Young chased down and then one of them made crosses into the box to a big strong target player.

Henderson more often than not played as a central midfielder. Adam played in a 4-3-3. He didn't need to take as much defensive responsibility at Blackpool.

Please Arn it doesnt matter what you say

They still had better stats than Maxi in the goalscoring creation department

Remember also Maxi played often in a 4-2-3-1 system at times last season so you could argue the same adjustment (to the current system) could also be applicable to him

[Arn]

Maybe if we give Carroll more game time he will score eleventy goals this season

Maybe he will learn how to convert the chances he has into goals

Maybe if we persist with 4-4-2 our forwards will start converting the numerous chances they have in each game

We just dont know that

We don't have the time to do that IMO. If we do that then it is almost certainly bye bye top four.

[Neil Young]

Yea, I am very aware of it now. What end of the stick should I have got hold of?

I seem to remember you apologising in advance of anything I said about your English. But maybe I'm wrong about that. Anyway my stance on grammar and spelling is it's not that important as long as the meaning is clear. And of course it usually is.

Although if someone corrects someone else then they'd better get it right, or else they deserve to be teased for it.

Occasionally however I may lapse into unnecessary pedantry and I apologise for that.

Regarding your cousins, it's "they're" not "there".

See what I mean? And sorry.

[Craig_H]

Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"

Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"
Arn "We need 4-3-3, 4-4-2 just does not work, Adam and Lucas in middle is never going to work. We need spanish midgets"




recapped.

oh and throw in a few Carroll is **** and Downing is not what we need.

[Neil Young]

We don't have the time to do that IMO. If we do that then it is almost certainly bye bye top four.

Bye bye top four
Top four bye bye
[Bye top four top four bye bye]...

[Alex]

Don't apologise for standards you hold.

[Craig_H]

Its Leadership.

Without Carragher or Gerrard we are nothing at the moment. We need players to 'stand up'.

But don't tell that to some posters, were better off without those two.

That's actually a very valid point. When Kuyt came on against Swansea, he was trying to add a bit of senior status and leadership but we badly lacked it throughout.

[Arn]

Please Arn it doesnt matter what you say

They still had better stats than Maxi in the goalscoring creation department

Remember also Maxi played often in a 4-2-3-1 system at times last season so you could argue the same adjustment (to the current system) could also be applicable to him

Of course it matters when you look at how they created the chances. Downing for example didn't do it thanks to any pass and move football.

Villa got the best out of Downing because they knew he is a very limited player. Play in a certain way, that means long balls from the back and a big strong target in the box and you get the best out of him.

Play pass and move style and you don't get the best out of him. We play pass and move style.

Play Maxi in a pass and move style team and you get the best out of him.

If we want to get the best out of Downing then we must play Houllier or MoN style of football.

[Exiled_red]

Its Leadership.

Without Carragher or Gerrard we are nothing at the moment. We need players to 'stand up'.

But don't tell that to some posters, were better off without those two.

We do need someone with a determination and ability to drive us forward and make things happen. It's a type of leadership, the type Gerrard provides, I don't think that Carragher being in the team or not would make much difference, to be honest. That's not an attack on Carragher, just my evaluation of the situation.

I've said on here previously that you have two types of player in the team, those that go out and take control of a game and make things happen, and those that are more passive and essentially wait for someone else to make stuff happen, at the moment IMO we have too many of the latter type - they are capable of playing well but they need someone else to provide the spark.

[Neil Young]

What we need:

• Spanish midgets
• Maxi
• David Villa
• Dedication
• Andy Carroll before he gave up boozing
• A new stadium
• Rafa
• Slightly bigger goals

[Neil Young]

What we don't need:

• Headless chickens
• Downing
• Aston Villa
• Backing the manager
• Charlie Adam before he gave up charlie
• New kits every week
• Kenny
• Lists like these

[Lecter]

He couldn't finish an ice cream.

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