Kenny isn't what we need

[Alex]

They are neck and neck with 65 posts each in this thread. Its pretty much been 'Argument'-'Counterargument' for 18 pages. Its pretty impressive stuff really.

[Fan65]

It appears that after 18 pages of stats & discussion the concensus is we are making the chances just not taking them.

Maybe we just lack a bit of good fortune in the box, the opposition keepers seem to be pulling of great save after great save to stop us scoring, any stats on that anywhere?

If it is down to bad luck them it'll soon turn around and we'll start banging them in, City would be a great place to start.

Maybe Kuyt should play in the box more often, he seems to be able to score off his knee, arse, shin, anything will do at the moment.

As for some doubting Kenny ... just plain crazy!!!!

[Lecter]

Surely Lecter, we've all got to laugh at you as well for taking the time to try and refute all hilariously formed arguments taking a pot shot at Kenny don't you think?

Aye

The point I was making is that Arn's whole point is based solely on IF's, BUT's & Maybe's

Even against statistical evidence to the contrary his only answer is to refute that by a whole new raft of IF's

And before anyone takes Neils line the statistical evidence I've put in here has tended to disprove my own view that Downing has been shockingly ineffective

[Dalglish]

It appears that after 18 pages of stats & discussion the concensus is we are making the chances just not taking them.

Exactly!

We aren't scoring enough goals. That's all it is.

And I didnt need Opta Joe's Zonal Index of Big Stats and Facts and Stuff to tell me that.

Call me an old romantic but I actually watched the game and came to that conclusion.

[Dalglish]

Aye

The point I was making is that Arn's whole point is based solely on IF's, BUT's & Maybe's

Even against statistical evidence to the contrary his only answer is to refute that by a whole new raft of IF's

And before anyone takes Neils line the statistical evidence I've put in here has tended to disprove my own view that Downing has been shockingly ineffective

BUT in terms of how many goals he's set up as a winger he's been pretty shabby.

Again, based on an analysis of what he's actually done not by firing up prozone and analyisng the percentage of the circumference of the centre circle he navigates each half on average etc

[Lecter]

Exactly!

We aren't scoring enough goals. That's all it is.

And I didnt need Opta Joe's Zonal Index of Big Stats and Facts and Stuff to tell me that.

Call me an old romantic but I actually watched the game and came to that conclusion.

I thought you said all we had to do was change formation and only play 9 outfield players

[Dalglish]

I've said many many things Lec, barely any of them were coherent or even remotely accurate

[Rowan]

I've said many many things Lec, barely any of them were coherent or even remotely accurate

Buckfast?

[Lecter]

BUT in terms of how many goals he's set up as a winger he's been pretty shabby.

Again, based on an analysis of what he's actually done not by firing up prozone and analyisng the percentage of the circumference of the centre circle he navigates each half on average etc

Aye but I didnt think he'd even done that much!!!

To be honest I thought hes been our worst player by a long way the last few weeks

The Shankly statue outside the Kop has shown more movement and willingness than him

He must have played really well the first few games to have totted up stats like that because hes done sod all recently

[Lecter]

I've said many many things Lec, barely any of them were coherent or even remotely accurate

Dont worry its a common ailment

[Dalglish]

Buckfast?

Dont mind if I do Rowan - an eye opener to get my day started

[Dalglish]

Aye but I didnt think he'd even done that much!!!

To be honest I thought hes been our worst player by a long way the last few weeks

The Shankly statue outside the Kop has shown more movement and willingness than him

He must have played really well the first few games to have totted up stats like that because hes done sod all recently

Yeah he looked decent at the outset but he's faded badly. Someone about 3000 pages ago mentioned his apparent lack of confidence which may well be the answer.

If that is the answer however then Downing is a fud. He should man up, enjoy playing top level football and getting paid handsomely for doing so and actually try and beat his man and put a cross in.

Coaching is easy.

[Exiled_red]

It isn't Nani or Youngs job to make a lot of crosses. They don't play that type of striker anymore that need a lot of crosses into the box.

They cut inside a lot more than they used to do. They get into the box a lot more than Downing do.

Nasri have a big target to aim at, Dzeko or Balotelli. Both of them are better in the box than Carroll.

So the stats don't care about what type of style the team play and what type of players they play.

If Man U played with Berbatov then Nani and Young would make more crosses and probably succeed more often. If City didn't play with Dzeko or Balotelli then Nasri would probably not make as many crosses or succeed as often as he do.

Perhaps that's true and would explain the differences in terms of the number of crosses, but in terms of chances created in their time on the pitch (presumably what all are in the team to do); Downing, Nani and Young are all about the same. You could critisise Downing for the chances he is creating being crosses were as Nani and Young's chances might not be, but that's more a critisism of the system or style of play rather than the player himself.

[The_weatherman]

It appears that after 18 pages of stats & discussion the concensus is we are making the chances just not taking them.

Maybe we just lack a bit of good fortune in the box, the opposition keepers seem to be pulling of great save after great save to stop us scoring, any stats on that anywhere?

If it is down to bad luck them it'll soon turn around and we'll start banging them in, City would be a great place to start.

Maybe Kuyt should play in the box more often, he seems to be able to score off his knee, arse, shin, anything will do at the moment.

As for some doubting Kenny ... just plain crazy!!!!

I'm pretty sure someone said as much one page one.

[Arn]

Aye

The point I was making is that Arn's whole point is based solely on IF's, BUT's & Maybe's

Even against statistical evidence to the contrary his only answer is to refute that by a whole new raft of IF's

And before anyone takes Neils line the statistical evidence I've put in here has tended to disprove my own view that Downing has been shockingly ineffective

Your points is also based on if's, but's and maybe's. IF the striker had scored the sitter for example or if he had scored after Downing made the cross. Really no difference.

If you think that it doesn't matter what type of striker(s) the team play when it comes down to the number of crosses a player make then it is really laughable.

Barcelona for example don't make a lot of crosses. Why? They don't play with that type of striker. They made more crosses when Ibra played.

Man U don't make as many crosses because Berbatov is more or less not playing at all. It is better to pass the ball to Rooney or Hernandez because you get more out of them that way.