Kenny isn't what we need

[cream]

**** signings have us ****ter.

[RichC]

**** signings have us ****ter.

are you trying to say we're a worse squad than last season.

[~LFCHistory~]

**** signings have us ****ter.

Our starting 11 against Swansea :

Liverpool
25 Reina
02 Johnson
03 Jose Enrique
05 Agger yellow card
37 Skrtel
14 Henderson (Kuyt 46)
19 Downing
21 Lucas
26 Adam yellow card
07 Suarez
09 Carroll (Bellamy 74)

Take Suarez out of that lineup and we look like an Aston Villa side.

[Alex]

Point is that he is in there. Take Van Persie out of Arsenal and they look like Wigan.

[Norbs]

**** signings have us ****ter.

Were you meant to write 'Made us ****ter'?

Not true. Your prime target for abuse (not you exclusively) is Downing and there is plenty of evidence that he is doing what he was brought in to do which is cross the ball. It's not his fault there's no one there to convert the chances he's creating. Downing is looking jaded and forelorn and I don't blame him to be honest, he's racking them up it's just no one's knocking them in.

I expect more goals from a winger and Downing is not producing them yet but he is creating and can't be blamed for that

Downing is not better than Maxi, but I think the politics of it is that he gets on with Carroll. That picture in the summer spoke volumes. Kenny wanted a player to cross the ball, and he got one. Maxi's tendency mirrors many players who are forced to play wide but don't want to be there in that he cuts inside too often and rarely gets to the byline. This doesn't suit a 442, not that I want us to be playing that formation tbh.

Henderson's better than Koncheski, Carroll's better than Ngog and on the evidence of a whole season, Bellamy's going to be better than a sulky Meireles.

I'm more concerned about Kenny's seeming lack of trust in the players that performed for him last year. I would've preferred to see that set-up carried through to this season with a couple of young additions who could be moulded to suit the Liverpool Way. This hasn't happened and is currently backfiring somewhat.

But we're not ****ter

[Lecter]

Our starting 11 against Swansea :

Liverpool
25 Reina
02 Johnson
03 Jose Enrique
05 Agger yellow card
37 Skrtel
14 Henderson (Kuyt 46)
19 Downing
21 Lucas
26 Adam yellow card
07 Suarez
09 Carroll (Bellamy 74)

Take Suarez out of that lineup and we look like an Aston Villa side.

I really hope that wasnt a serious comment

[Lecter]

Were you meant to write 'Made us ****ter'?

Not true. Your prime target for abuse (not you exclusively) is Downing and there is plenty of evidence that he is doing what he was brought in to do which is cross the ball. It's not his fault there's no one there to convert the chances he's creating. Downing is looking jaded and forelorn and I don't blame him to be honest, he's racking them up it's just no one's knocking them in.

I expect more goals from a winger and Downing is not producing them yet but he is creating and can't be blamed for that

Downing is not better than Maxi, but I think the politics of it is that he gets on with Carroll. That picture in the summer spoke volumes. Kenny wanted a player to cross the ball, and he got one. Maxi's tendency mirrors many players who are forced to play wide but don't want to be there in that he cuts inside too often and rarely gets to the byline. This doesn't suit a 442, not that I want us to be playing that formation tbh.

Henderson's better than Koncheski, Carroll's better than Ngog and on the evidence of a whole season, Bellamy's going to be better than a sulky Meireles.

I'm more concerned about Kenny's seeming lack of trust in the players that performed for him last year. I would've preferred to see that set-up carried through to this season with a couple of young additions who could be moulded to suit the Liverpool Way. This hasn't happened and is currently backfiring somewhat.

But we're not ****ter

Downing is a real enigma for me

I was not pleased we signed him

Was pleasantly surprised by his early form

Disappointed with his form in recent weeks

Shocked by those stats posted yesterday

[Slinky Skills]

I think I can guarantee that you wouldn't score a lot more goals at Barcelona because you are simply not good enough and according to you isn't that mobile. You would be taken out of the game straight away and because of you being so **** then the other players wouldn't create as many chances and they wouldn't win the ball back as often as they do. Less ball possession etc.

If you want to play at Barcelona then you will need to have excellent movement, excellent ball control, excellent game intelligence and excellent vision. You must also be excellent winning the ball back and excellent chasing the ball.

That's ****ing told you Lec

"ALCOHOLIC SCOUSER'S BARCA DREAM SHATTERED
-'I only wanted a chance,' claims 53 year old Lector, 'but Barca's Swedish manager rejected me.'"

[Slinky Skills]

Look guys,

At the end of the day it's only a matter of time before we start rattling them in so relax and stop worrying.

[Norbs]

Yeah that was very surprising I didnt think he'd been that effective recently

After reading your last post I thought I'd read back to yesterday's posts and find the 'stats' reference.

Downing's done ok, and I can't understand the levels of criticism he's been getting. He's played 10 games for us but is being used as a scapegoat for our lack of potency in front of goal. This is clearly misguided as it's more than apparent that he is creating chances for the forwards, and so the blame should be levelled to whoever chooses to play two forwards up front who are trying their hardest but just not gelling. Suarez getting his head to crosses is not where he's best deployed at all, he should be receiving the ball deeper and running at the defences, this is where he is at his most dangerous. If he receives the ball deeper it will force opponents to be drawn out of defence more creating space behind. As it stands, we NEVER create any space behind the defence and they can easily sit there and absorb our attacking play. Suarez often comes to a standstill with a couple of players gnawing at his feet, he then goes down in a frustrated pile. What he should be doing is bringing the rest of the attacking team in to play and moving the ball on. I guess I think he's a trifle greedy

[Exiled_red]

Downing is a real enigma for me

I was not pleased we signed him

Was pleasantly surprised by his early form

Disappointed with his form in recent weeks

Shocked by those stats posted yesterday

I've mentioned over recent weeks that I thought Downing would benefit from playing with a settled strike force as his job would become clearer (different things are expected of him if he is delivering balls for Carroll than if he is delivering balls for Suarez). I thought he did alright at the weekend.

I'm not sure if this is always the case but on the whole my impression is that he has performed better when Carroll is in the team, IIRC Carroll started the season in the team (perhaps coinciding with the spell when most people thought Downing did ok), then Carroll was in and out of the team for a while, (about the time Downing's performances dropped??), as I said I'm probably in the minority but I thought he did Ok at the weekend, (Carroll is back in the team). Perhaps a bit simplistic, and not always true, Downing was awful in the derby which Carroll played in. My impression is that Downing does better when he has Carroll to aim at, I think he knows what is expected of him. I think perhaps the problem for Downing and the other midfielders when Carroll is out of the team is that we often has Suarez as a lone-front man, and Suarez is unpredictable, which is bad for defenders but also will take his team mates some getting used to...

I wasn't that suprised by Downing's stats, I think the thing that suprised me was the context, i.e. how comparable they were with those of Nani and Young. I think that people generally seem to thing that other teams players are better than they are, because we watch them less, or only see their highlights on MOTD, and we perhaps have a more neutral opinion about how their players perform (i.e. if you watch a Man Utd game you generally don't remember that the last time you watched them that Young/Nani was crap, whereas as a Liverpool fan you remember which players were crap last week and when they do something poorly you get on their back). Also I think that the likes of Nani and Young are more flashy than Downing, if they do some nice piece of skill you remember it even if the move comes to nothing, Downing doesn't do that so is less noticable, and these things affect our perception of a players performance/ability.

[_92]

Not read any of the previous 700+ posts on this but ffs, if anyone thinks the best option for this club is to sack Kenny, they should be banned with immediate effect, pending an investigation into their deluded views.

Our target is top 4 and we are on course. We are making the chances and i have no doubt we will start putting them away in no time. Our form atm average, and yet we are still only 3 points of Chelsea.

Lets get behind Kenny and the team. We are not going to win the league, that was obvious in the summer. Citeh are too strong atm. But we will finish 4th atleast, I am sure. Kenny has made a massive difference as it is in the way we are playing and the fact people were even mentioning us with a chance of winning the league shows our progression from last season.

We finished 6th and 7th last 2 seasons, so reasonable progression would be a CL place finish. Its not going to be easy with Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea and Spurs in the mix, but I have full faith in Kenny.

And if we fail to beat City and Chelsea, I will still support Kenny. Changing manager ain't going to help. I don't want to go back to seeing threads like Sack Parry, Sack Rafa, Sack Broughton and Purslow, H&G Out.

[Nicey]

Not read any of the previous 700+ posts on this but ffs, if anyone thinks the best option for this club is to sack Kenny, they should be banned with immediate effect, pending an investigation into their deluded views.

Our target is top 4 and we are on course. We are making the chances and i have no doubt we will start putting them away in no time. Our form atm average, and yet we are still only 3 points of Chelsea.

Lets get behind Kenny and the team. We are not going to win the league, that was obvious in the summer. Citeh are too strong atm. But we will finish 4th atleast, I am sure. Kenny has made a massive difference as it is in the way we are playing and the fact people were even mentioning us with a chance of winning the league shows our progression from last season.

We finished 6th and 7th last 2 seasons, so reasonable progression would be a CL place finish. Its not going to be easy with Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea and Spurs in the mix, but I have full faith in Kenny.

And if we fail to beat City and Chelsea, I will still support Kenny. Changing manager ain't going to help. I don't want to go back to seeing threads like Sack Parry, Sack Rafa, Sack Broughton and Purslow, H&G Out.

Totally whole heartly agree what an utter utter disgrace these people are they should be well and truly ashamed and embarrassed Such a poor show its not funny certainly not the kind of people you would want having your back

[Darkon]

Not read any of the previous 700+ posts on this but ffs, if anyone thinks the best option for this club is to sack Kenny, they should be banned with immediate effect, pending an investigation into their deluded views.

Our target is top 4 and we are on course. We are making the chances and i have no doubt we will start putting them away in no time. Our form atm average, and yet we are still only 3 points of Chelsea.

Lets get behind Kenny and the team. We are not going to win the league, that was obvious in the summer. Citeh are too strong atm. But we will finish 4th atleast, I am sure. Kenny has made a massive difference as it is in the way we are playing and the fact people were even mentioning us with a chance of winning the league shows our progression from last season.

We finished 6th and 7th last 2 seasons, so reasonable progression would be a CL place finish. Its not going to be easy with Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea and Spurs in the mix, but I have full faith in Kenny.

And if we fail to beat City and Chelsea, I will still support Kenny. Changing manager ain't going to help. I don't want to go back to seeing threads like Sack Parry, Sack Rafa, Sack Broughton and Purslow, H&G Out.

[Sebastian Rooks]

I've mentioned over recent weeks that I thought Downing would benefit from playing with a settled strike force as his job would become clearer (different things are expected of him if he is delivering balls for Carroll than if he is delivering balls for Suarez). I thought he did alright at the weekend.

I'm not sure if this is always the case but on the whole my impression is that he has performed better when Carroll is in the team, IIRC Carroll started the season in the team (perhaps coinciding with the spell when most people thought Downing did ok), then Carroll was in and out of the team for a while, (about the time Downing's performances dropped??), as I said I'm probably in the minority but I thought he did Ok at the weekend, (Carroll is back in the team). Perhaps a bit simplistic, and not always true, Downing was awful in the derby which Carroll played in. My impression is that Downing does better when he has Carroll to aim at, I think he knows what is expected of him. I think perhaps the problem for Downing and the other midfielders when Carroll is out of the team is that we often has Suarez as a lone-front man, and Suarez is unpredictable, which is bad for defenders but also will take his team mates some getting used to...

I wasn't that suprised by Downing's stats, I think the thing that suprised me was the context, i.e. how comparable they were with those of Nani and Young. I think that people generally seem to thing that other teams players are better than they are, because we watch them less, or only see their highlights on MOTD, and we perhaps have a more neutral opinion about how their players perform (i.e. if you watch a Man Utd game you generally don't remember that the last time you watched them that Young/Nani was crap, whereas as a Liverpool fan you remember which players were crap last week and when they do something poorly you get on their back). Also I think that the likes of Nani and Young are more flashy than Downing, if they do some nice piece of skill you remember it even if the move comes to nothing, Downing doesn't do that so is less noticable, and these things affect our perception of a players performance/ability.