Kenny isn't what we need

[Chris]

No one is bigger than my love for the club. No one.

You dont love the club, you love Rafael Benitez. And theres absolutely nothing wrong with that but lets not pretend you do actually love Liverpool.

If you did you wouldnt have 100s upon 100s of posts slandering two local icons and now Kenny Dalglish. And what do they all have in common? Kenny has "nicked" the job thats meant for Benitez and you think Gerrard and Carra handed Rafa his p45.

You'll be absolutely desperate for a couple of Carragher mistakes in a defeat to Chelsea so you can come straight on here and spew your relentless bile.

[_92]

The King is hopefully going to be here for many years to come. Its going to take time, not going to happen all in one or two seasons, or through one or two signings. If Kenny doesn't feel he is up to the task, he will resign himself because he knows no-one is bigger than the club.

Its a joke how anyone can justify sacking Kenny so early into his return. As much as it pains me to say, Fergie is the prime example of how to earn success. We need someone who understands the club, the fans, the traditions. Kenny ticks all the boxes. Kenny will make mistakes, thats a fact. He will make a few poor signings, make the wrong subs here and there. But all the best manager will do that.

Sacking Kenny and brining back Rafa is laughable, never going to happen. I am a Rafa fan, and would love to see him back one day, but I hope no for many many years, as Kenny is the best man for the job. The people who work closely with Kenny will tell you that - the players, staff, Commoli.

Even if we miss out on 4th, and finish 5th/6th, we go again next season and we'll get it right. As someone said, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Some fans
King Kenny

[Mattshark]

The King is hopefully going to be here for many years to come. Its going to take time, not going to happen all in one or two seasons, or through one or two signings. If Kenny doesn't feel he is up to the task, he will resign himself because he knows no-one is bigger than the club.

Its a joke how anyone can justify sacking Kenny so early into his return. As much as it pains me to say, Fergie is the prime example of how to earn success. We need someone who understands the club, the fans, the traditions. Kenny ticks all the boxes. Kenny will make mistakes, thats a fact. He will make a few poor signings, make the wrong subs here and there. But all the best manager will do that.

Sacking Kenny and brining back Rafa is laughable, never going to happen. I am a Rafa fan, and would love to see him back one day, but I hope no for many many years, as Kenny is the best man for the job. The people who work closely with Kenny will tell you that - the players, staff, Commoli.

Even if we miss out on 4th, and finish 5th/6th, we go again next season and we'll get it right. As someone said, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Some fans
King Kenny

See I am not sure about this, 6th would represent a complete lack of progress which would be worrying. I think the CL is a minimum requirement this season.

[Vermilion]

I never want us to lose a game. I even wanted us to beat Chelsea when it would have given Man U the title.

No one is bigger than my love for the club. No one. Except of my family of course.

Well done Arn. You also manage to argue your points without distasteful remarks and accusations about people being 'lesser fans' for holding an opinion that's at odds with your own.

[el matador]

this is a two way thing. wingers need to deliver quality.crosses and forwards need to make runs amd find space.

downing is delivering good balls but the forwards are not helping him at all. ffs some of us would bury some of his crosses.

[~LFCHistory~]

The King is hopefully going to be here for many years to come. Its going to take time, not going to happen all in one or two seasons, or through one or two signings. If Kenny doesn't feel he is up to the task, he will resign himself because he knows no-one is bigger than the club.

Its a joke how anyone can justify sacking Kenny so early into his return. As much as it pains me to say, Fergie is the prime example of how to earn success. We need someone who understands the club, the fans, the traditions. Kenny ticks all the boxes. Kenny will make mistakes, thats a fact. He will make a few poor signings, make the wrong subs here and there. But all the best manager will do that.

Sacking Kenny and brining back Rafa is laughable, never going to happen. I am a Rafa fan, and would love to see him back one day, but I hope no for many many years, as Kenny is the best man for the job. The people who work closely with Kenny will tell you that - the players, staff, Commoli.

Even if we miss out on 4th, and finish 5th/6th, we go again next season and we'll get it right. As someone said, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Some fans
King Kenny

If we spend money in January and still fail to finish top 4 then I would be shocked if Dalglish is manager at the beginning of next season. John Henry himself said that anything other than a top 4 finish this season would be disappointing.

[Mattshark]

this is a two way thing. wingers need to deliver quality.crosses and forwards need to make runs amd find space.

downing is delivering good balls but the forwards are not helping him at all. ffs some of us would bury some of his crosses.

He sporadically delivers a decent ball, he often kicks it out of play or at the defender, he generally is quite poor and unintelligent in his play though.

[Arn]

Is Downing and improvement on the player he replaced in the starting XI, Maxi?

No is the clear answer. That is really the only thing that should count.

Maxi is the better player and the better option in the starting XI. How many points have we dropped this season only because Downing play instead of Maxi?

Impossible to answer but we have probably dropped some points because of it and that is unacceptable.

Our best option in each position should play. If Downing had delivered goals and assists then he should play but that isn't the case.

Maxi delivers goals and assists when he play. That is why he should play.

We can't afford to play Downing instead of Maxi. Downing may or may not deliver in two three months time if he continue to play week in week out. He may or may not be a better option than Maxi in two three months time but we can't afford to wait two three months. He simply must start to deliver goals and assists now because he is an attacking player. It is his job to deliver goals and assists.

People defend him that our strikers should have scored on some of his crosses but you could say the same about players like Nani, Young, Nasri and all the other wide players.

Then they would have even more goals and assists than they have now.

The only thing that counts is that he have 0 goals and 0 assists so far. We aren't getting any bonus points because our players should have scored.

[cream]

this is a two way thing. wingers need to deliver quality.crosses and forwards need to make runs amd find space.

downing is delivering good balls but the forwards are not helping him at all. ffs some of us would bury some of his crosses.

It's not like he's bombarding the box with quality crosses. I've seen two, maybe three good crosses and even some of them weren't begging to be buried. We need more from Downing and Carroll, especially if they're are going to be the focal point of our attack.

[Norbs]

I'm glad you're not my wing man Cream

[Vermilion]

If we spend money in January and still fail to finish top 4 then I would be shocked if Dalglish is manager at the beginning of next season. John Henry himself said that anything other than a top 4 finish this season would be disappointing.

I don't think they'd let him go at that point, he'd get another season for sure imo, or another half season at the very very least imo.

Tbh aswell, i'd be inclined to give him the time, the only thing that would make me think different is if we were utter ****e untill then, which i don't believe will be the case.

This league has changed, H&G have set us back so much, at a time we should have been pushing on and buying top players that would have come to us then, we were paying debts.

So i think all things considered Kenny needs time, and even then there is no guarantee he'll make us successful, just as with any manager we employ...and the reason for that is the fierce and competitive nature of football now, and an increase in clubs around that can attract and afford better players on the whole than we're in a position to do right now, and more of them too.

But hopefully, with time, that will change.

[~LFCHistory~]

I don't think they'd let him go at that point, he'd get another season for sure imo, or another half season at the very very least imo.

Tbh aswell, i'd be inclined to give him the time, the only thing that would make me think different is if we were utter ****e untill then, which i don't believe will be the case.

I suppose it all depends on how the team performs until the end of the season and if there are clear signs that Dalglish is capable of adapting to modern football then perhaps he could be given another season if we miss out on 4th place.
If however the manager persists with 442 and continues to select players because of their price tag rather than form then who knows what will happen.

[Neil Young]

I suppose it all depends on how the team performs until the end of the season and if there are clear signs that Dalglish is capable of adapting to modern football then perhaps he could be given another season if we miss out on 4th place.
If however the manager persists with 442 and continues to select players because of their price tag rather than form then who knows what will happen.

These smuggled assumptions are tedious.

The issue, it seems to me, is whether there are signs Dalglish can make progress. So far I think we have progressed but the question is whether it can continue. None of us know at this stage but I can understand why people have their doubts. All the same I think it's premature to make that judgement - as the original poster and others have done - and that plenty of people are being too impatient in terms of what they expect and what they think is required by the board.

I'm pretty sure Dalglish will be manager for as long as FSG's hopes outweigh their doubts.

[Slinky Skills]

One thing I've been baffled by is when Carroll and Suarez play you often see Suarez playing further up than Carroll. Why not the other way around? To have Suarez attacking players from deep and being a creative menace would maximise his abilities. He could choose to go out wide, thread a ball through to Carroll if he made a good run or take on players himself. Far too often you see him stranded up top and Carroll is not good enough to be the playmaker. I thought the whole point of the partnership originally was Suarez to be playmaker, Carroll to be finisher.

That's precisely how I thought we'd line up.

[~LFCHistory~]

These smuggled assumptions are tedious.

The issue, it seems to me, is whether there are signs Dalglish can make progress. So far I think we have progressed but the question is whether it can continue. None of us know at this stage but I can understand why people have their doubts. All the same I think it's premature to make that judgement - as the original poster and others have done - and that plenty of people are being too impatient in terms of what they expect and what they think is required by the board.

I'm pretty sure Dalglish will be manager for as long as FSG's hopes outweigh their doubts.

You are absolutely right that it is too early to make concrete judgements however I don't think it's unreasonable to say that from now until the end of December will be the period that we find out whether this team and manager are capable of getting 4th.