2012/13 ticket price freeze and 2013/14 rise

[Alex]

That's not the case . Have they got business interests Stateside ? Yes . It's an indisputable fact

Most businessmen of the calibre of FSG will have international businesses. I dont think there are many top level Prem owners with interests purly based on these shores. Think about it.

Man Utd - American based
Man City - Dubai based (?)
Chelsea - Russian based
Arsenal - American and Russian based
Tottenham - UK based as far as I am aware
Everton - Based in Musicals.....

So I dont see how having business interests in another country is relevant. Especially as it hasn't shown that its effected LFC in anyway.

Red Sox fans moan that they spend too much time on us, Liverpool fans moan they spend too much time on them. See the pattern?

[Sarb]

I had to stop at the Glazers

Yeah you can laugh. They're piling debt on Utd. But Utd have a huge capacity, they buy loads of players etc, they're successful on the pitch. Surely, you'd be happy with them wouldn't you? That's a quick fix owner for you right there

[Alex]

Also FWIW Merlboo thanks for not being scared off by us all disagreeing with pretty much everything you say. We are all after the same thing ultimately, just some see it differently.

[merlboo]

They won't be making much of a return in 5 years time looking at the losses we make currently and if they don't invest to get us into the CL. Fact is they are investing, they are backing the managers, people who should have known better wasted a whole lot of money they were given by FSG. You shouldn't be laying all the problems we currently face at their door.

Bearing in mind the money wasted early in their regime, they won't be making a return for a very long time I'd say

I'm not laying all the blame at their door .

The Ticketing Campaign will become a National one .

The Stadium Issue will always polarise opinion until that spade goes in the ground . Seeing as they have previous experience of refurbishment , it's only right we ask are we really any further on regarding the redeveloped Anfield and when can we expect work to start

[merlboo]

Also FWIW Merlboo thanks for not being scared off by us all disagreeing with pretty much everything you say. We are all after the same thing ultimately, just some see it differently.

That's right . It's safe to assume we all want success again . We all (I'm presuming) want to go to the matches more affordably . We all want a bigger capacity so we can challenge long term for that success .

It's how we get there which polarizes opinion

[barnes10]

The game has moved on massively since 1989. Seriously can't believe that ticket price rises that are in line with our peers are a point you're clinging to as if it means something significant. We are relatively cheap given the success you've been treated to during that time. What a nonsense argument.

http://www.afcliverpool.tv/ seems to be the only realistic answer to your issues with the modern game frankly. Maybe 'the fans voice' can just get on with supporting that club instead of disrupting the current owners attempts at making us a success.

[Rich]

Has SoS also worked out the average rise in players transfer fees and wages over the same time period - both as a percentage increase and in real terms?

The fact is, like it or not, the vast majority of cash generated by any Premiership club (or not in the many cases of clubs operating in the red) goes straight into the players pockets.

Is SoS, in fact, campaigning for LFC players to be paid less than their peers?

Because that's what it seems like to me - let’s moan about ticket prices going up and let’s moan about not having a successful team on the pitch.

By all means let’s have a national campaign about the cost of watching football in this country – but no-one is forcing you to buy that season ticket. Give it up and join the vast majority of LFC and football fans that don’t go to every home game.

[Mattshark]

Until the spade goes in the ground then we can't sit on our laurels can we ?

Or should we take all of the press releases which say a lot but don't tell us anything as gospel and pretend everything's rosy

But there is no reason to attack FSG on the grounds that they are American. Look at the way they run their teams, they have done well with all of them.

I don't get the idea that they should be telling us every detail of the the process, you are being OTT on the criticism without justification.

[Sarb]

Has SoS also worked out the average rise in players transfer fees and wages over the same time period - both as a percentage increase and in real terms?

The fact is, like it or not, the vast majority of cash generated by any Premiership club (or not in the many cases of clubs operating in the red) goes straight into the players pockets.

Is SoS, in fact, campaigning for LFC players to be paid less than their peers?

Because that's what it seems like to me - let’s moan about ticket prices going up and let’s moan about not having a successful team on the pitch.

By all means let’s have a national campaign about the cost of watching football in this country – but no-one is forcing you to buy that season ticket. Give it up and join the vast majority of LFC and football fans that don’t go to every home game.

Maybe the logical first step in this overall aim to get prices down is to try and get players to accept a salary cap? They are a pretty big contributing factor to all costs in a club and consequently ticket prices.

We can talk about the 716% rise in 23 years all day long. But I don't think LFC are expensive to go and watch in relation to other Premiership teams. At the end of the day, everything has to be compared like with like and it's all relative.

Wish we could all just get along and not keep having pops at owners/managers/players and just enjoy a stable period for a club without constantly kicking off about something

[dom9]

Has SoS also worked out the average rise in players transfer fees and wages over the same time period - both as a percentage increase and in real terms?

The fact is, like it or not, the vast majority of cash generated by any Premiership club (or not in the many cases of clubs operating in the red) goes straight into the players pockets.

Is SoS, in fact, campaigning for LFC players to be paid less than their peers?

Because that's what it seems like to me - let’s moan about ticket prices going up and let’s moan about not having a successful team on the pitch.

By all means let’s have a national campaign about the cost of watching football in this country – but no-one is forcing you to buy that season ticket. Give it up and join the vast majority of LFC and football fans that don’t go to every home game.

I pretty much alluded to this a few pages back. Don't expect an answer any time soon.

[barnes10]

I get the feeling I know just why FSG / Werner aren't prepared to engage SOS more having dealt with them once already.

[Sarb]

I get the feeling I know just why FSG / Werner aren't prepared to engage SOS more having dealt with them once already.

Because they can't be reasoned with?

[merlboo]

Because they can't be reasoned with?

No .

It's because we won't be patted on the head and told what to do .

[merlboo]

I pretty much alluded to this a few pages back. Don't expect an answer any time soon.

Oh . Is the crux of this about who goes and who doesn't go to Anfield for some?

[Sarb]

No .

It's because we won't be patted on the head and told what to do .

They aren't telling you to pay the increased ticket price. No one is. Some fans aren't moaning about paying it either. There are plenty that would be willing to pay it. What about the Kop prices remaining frozen?

What about the salary cap for players? Don't you think that would be a more fundamental driver for reduced ticket prices and reduced cost of going to a match? Is that on the agenda...protest at player wages? How much has the average wage gone up at the club in the last 23 years?

I think what's closer to the truth is SOS enjoyed the prominence they gained in the H&G era and now, like quite a few others, want to remain in the limelight. Maybe I'm wrong