2012/13 ticket price freeze and 2013/14 rise

[Alex]

Again , we have only conducted case studies into what our club has implemented over this 24 year period .

Along with the FSF and their affiliated fan organisations , politicians , Premier League and the relevant sponsors , this campaign is in it's infancy .

We can't adopt a stance of saying they or them have gone up more than us by lets say 800% for instance . That's a surefire racer to the bottom and will achieve nothing .

Look at the Kop and the price freeze there . It's a classic Divide and Conquer manouvere for me . I think the angle there was that'll keep the kopites
quiet . They won't be that bothered that his mates will have to stump up the extra £80 in the ageing Main Stand because of the "I'm alright Jack" mindset in a lot of today's society .

If that was the idea behind it then they've got us all wrong

I take issue with things like this. Not everything has an agenda. Not everything is being done to dick over the fans. Its seems in this case (Freezing the prices on the Kop) you are just looking for a fight. Id support you in the other things, if SOS didn't then go looking for angles everywhere else.

[Arn]

The main point IMO is that we will get a lot more TV money from next season. That should mean no rise at all.

Is it worth fighting for the league title if it means the real football fans is being prized out?

It isn't exactly cheap even watching it on TV.

Liverpool FC will never be the same again. It is all about money now and not about the fans.

[Muddled]

Again , we have only conducted case studies into what our club has implemented over this 24 year period .

Along with the FSF and their affiliated fan organisations , politicians , Premier League and the relevant sponsors , this campaign is in it's infancy .

We can't adopt a stance of saying they or them have gone up more than us by lets say 800% for instance . That's a surefire racer to the bottom and will achieve nothing .

Look at the Kop and the price freeze there . It's a classic Divide and Conquer manouvere for me . I think the angle there was that'll keep the kopites
quiet . They won't be that bothered that his mates will have to stump up the extra £80 in the ageing Main Stand because of the "I'm alright Jack" mindset in a lot of today's society .

If that was the idea behind it then they've got us all wrong

I would be interested to hear you answer the questions Dom put to you, if you have the information available of course?

[merlboo]

I think it's well documented on here at least that most people don't feel that SOS represent them adequately, and that they have an unfortunate way of using language. The word 'insult' is neither appropriate nor constructive. But yet, they wonder why the club won't speak to them individually rather than the broad committe they have already gathered (at which I believe SOS have a seat - correct me if I'm wrong).

Gathered is the key word there Dom . They are not elected and that raises questions . I know a number of persons on the Committee and they are doing good work and I'd hail them for that . I even invited 2 of them to speak at our last EGM in the Sandon and they spoke really well .

http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/thecostofbeingliverpool

However , democratic processes need to be set up to give it more accountability .

Where is the Supporters Committee "statement" confirming their involvement in these consultations . If anyone can point me to it I'd be most obliged or are they being used as the tool to make the clubs ticket raises more credible ?

SOS does not have anyone on the Committee in an official SOS capacity . Some on there maybe members . Some not .

[Muddled]

So what if we have more income from a TV deal?

We've just posted losses and continue to talk about developing Anfield - how is this going to be funded?

[merlboo]

I take issue with things like this. Not everything has an agenda. Not everything is being done to dick over the fans. Its seems in this case (Freezing the prices on the Kop) you are just looking for a fight. Id support you in the other things, if SOS didn't then go looking for angles everywhere else.

Where did all of the protests emanate from during the H&G Era ?

The Club know that the other stands won't mount a campaign . The simple truth is most of those active on issues concerning the Club are seated in the Kop . There will be others in the other 3 stands but the core are in the Kop . it's always been that way

[Alex]

Where did all of the protests emanate from during the H&G Era ?

The Club know that the other stands won't mount a campaign . The simple truth is most of those active on issues concerning the Club are seated in the Kop . There will be others in the other 3 stands but the core are in the Kop . it's always been that way

All of the protests? I dont know. But id guess they werent just all from the Kop. But if you are suggesting that it was all from the Kop you are wrong. What were the protest of people refusing to buy merchandise? It was small, but everything helped in its own way.

Maybe look at it like this then. The club wants to reward the people sitting in the Kop for all the work they have done on issues, so are protecting them from a rise this season.

I dunno mate, it just seems like that specific part is not even really worth a debate.

The price rise is ****, but I guess its the times we live in. Id like to see a comparison with our prices and other Top10 teams from the league. Id guess we are about average.

[dom9]

Gathered is the key word there Dom . They are not elected and that raises questions . I know a number of persons on the Committee and they are doing good work and I'd hail them for that . I even invited 2 of them to speak at our last EGM in the Sandon and they spoke really well .

http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/thecostofbeingliverpool

However , democratic processes need to be set up to give it more accountability .

Where is the Supporters Committee "statement" confirming their involvement in these consultations . If anyone can point me to it I'd be most obliged or are they being used as the tool to make the clubs ticket raises more credible ?

SOS does not have anyone on the Committee in an official SOS capacity . Some on there maybe members . Some not .

I thought they did. I stand corrected. Do you know why not?

[dom9]

I would be interested to hear you answer the questions Dom put to you, if you have the information available of course?

It's never happened before, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

[dom9]

Again , we have only conducted case studies into what our club has implemented over this 24 year period .

Along with the FSF and their affiliated fan organisations , politicians , Premier League and the relevant sponsors , this campaign is in it's infancy .

We can't adopt a stance of saying they or them have gone up more than us by lets say 800% for instance . That's a surefire racer to the bottom and will achieve nothing .

Look at the Kop and the price freeze there . It's a classic Divide and Conquer manouvere for me . I think the angle there was that'll keep the kopites
quiet . They won't be that bothered that his mates will have to stump up the extra £80 in the ageing Main Stand because of the "I'm alright Jack" mindset in a lot of today's society .

If that was the idea behind it then they've got us all wrong

But you need to have a basic awareness of the bigger picture, right? Without it, you look isolated, unprepared, and more than a little bit naive.

If you want a dialogue, you have to be prepared to engage in a debate. That means understanding the opposing point of view so that you can be prepared to defend your own arguments. Otherwise you just come across as if you're ranting.

I'm not exactly asking you any difficult or searching questions, but you avoid answering them at all costs. Does this mean that you don't understand what I'm asking (and the reasons why), or does it mean that you don't have an answer?

You guys mean well. Of course you do. But I think you need to be a more clever with your approach. You're politically passionate. But you don't display any political or diplomatic nouse. If you did, I reckon your support may surge. Alas, I fear you'll continue as you are.

[merlboo]

All of the protests? I dont know. But id guess they werent just all from the Kop. But if you are suggesting that it was all from the Kop you are wrong. What were the protest of people refusing to buy merchandise? It was small, but everything helped in its own way.

Maybe look at it like this then. The club wants to reward the people sitting in the Kop for all the work they have done on issues, so are protecting them from a rise this season.

I dunno mate, it just seems like that specific part is not even really worth a debate.

The price rise is ****, but I guess its the times we live in. Id like to see a comparison with our prices and other Top10 teams from the league. Id guess we are about average.

I've probably become a little more guarded since the last era Alex so you'll have to forgive me . The top ten analogy is a good one . If the others are also around the same mark or more then that doesn't necessarily make it right does it ?

This race to the bottom mentality we've garnered over time needs to be shaken off . If Arsenal , Chelsea , United or Tottenham are more expensive then that's something for their fans to address hopefully under the collective FSF banner

We can't become sidetracked by saying well it's been dearer at City since 1989 . We can only concentrate on the $costofbeingLiverpool at this time mate

[Alex]

Thats fair enough and I take your point about us getting our own house in order before worrying were we are on the scale of things.

[merlboo]

But you need to have a basic awareness of the bigger picture, right? Without it, you look isolated, unprepared, and more than a little bit naive.

If you want a dialogue, you have to be prepared to engage in a debate. That means understanding the opposing point of view so that you can be prepared to defend your own arguments. Otherwise you just come across as if you're ranting.

I'm not exactly asking you any difficult or searching questions, but you avoid answering them at all costs. Does this mean that you don't understand what I'm asking (and the reasons why), or does it mean that you don't have an answer?

You guys mean well. Of course you do. But I think you need to be a more clever with your approach. You're politically passionate. But you don't display any political or diplomatic nouse. If you did, I reckon your support may surge. Alas, I fear you'll continue as you are.

You're right Dom . Through our affiliation to the FSF and Supporters Direct , we do take a passing interest in what other Clubs are doing and we do attend their meetings . Through our own means as volunteers , we can only do so much as you'll no doubt appreciate .

The 716% rise sibnce 1989 is the crux of our position . We'd hope other clubs can conduct their own research regarding their own over inflated prices .

[merlboo]

I thought they did. I stand corrected. Do you know why not?

They don't officially recognize us Dom . We've sent numerous open letters to the Chairman stateside, asked for meetings and never had any responses since that first meeting in October 2011.

They know we aren't a talking shop and that probably won't fit their
agenda.

The Supporters Committee doesn't vote. It doesn't challenge these decisions in any substantive way. It merely gets told what the Club are implementing.

Welcome to FSG

[Muddled]

To compare, the following club's ticket prices (not season tickets) have gone up:

Arsenal - 920%
Aston Villa -400%
Everton - 700%
Man Utd - 700%
Tottenham - 571%

From 1990 to 2011/12 season.

For information, the Bank of England figures show cumulative inflation of 77% since 1990