2012/13 ticket price freeze and 2013/14 rise

[barnes10]

football is clearly in a race to the bottom. thats why, FSG have put the prices up. They're trying to enable us to compete with the rest, whilst remaining healthy as a business. isnt that what we want?

so prices rise as costs are kept under control as best they can be.

That we are just a little above everton and man u over 24 years means that they're not doing anything drastically wrong imho.

not sure why lfc fans should be particularly aggrieved.

[paulc]

a lot of people are too emotionally involved. The emotion of football went about 20 years ago

football clubs are businesses now, the fact that some european nights give a great atmosphere only gives them a better selling point

its silly grown men who should know better think the club is their's
open your eyes

[dom9]

Ultimately most of this extra money has flowed into the pockets of players and agents.

Of course, we can refuse to pay such wages, but then we'd have been stuck with lower quality players for the past 20 years (even the ones we got under Kenny / Comolli). It's basic economics really.

Having said that, even now, the vast majority of games sell out. So there is a pretty basic supply / demand equilibrium at work here.

merlboo's wider point is that all football clubs should be charging lower prices, not just Liverpool. But, that is not the way life works. Football represents the purest form of capitalism. There are no collective agreements around player wages (yet), ticket prices, or anything else apart from television rights.

So how do we tackle it? Should TV rights be distributed evenly regardless of performance or viewing figures? Should salaries be regulated across the board? Should ticket prices be regulated across the board? What about executive tickets? If these measures were to be implemented, how would that enable English clubs to compete in Europe? Suarez, Torres et al would never have come here otherwise.

The only place where collective agreements work are in the US (of all places). The lowest ranked teams get the pick of the drafts the following season. TV rights are shared equally, as is commercial income. But, there is no inter-country Championship for the NFL teams to compete in. There is no promotion or relegation. It's a closed shop, and it has evolved that way to serve its own purposes.

Principles are all very well, but how do you implement them in reality? That's the question. Instead of campaigning and complaining, what are the alternative solutions, and how would they work?

Over to you, SOS.

[paulc]

Ultimately most of this extra money has flowed into the pockets of players and agents.

Of course, we can refuse to pay such wages, but then we'd have been stuck with lower quality players for the past 20 years (even the ones we got under Kenny / Comolli). It's basic economics really.

Having said that, even now, the vast majority of games sell out. So there is a pretty basic supply / demand equilibrium at work here.

merlboo's wider point is that all football clubs should be charging lower prices, not just Liverpool. But, that is not the way life works. Football represents the purest form of capitalism. There are no collective agreements around player wages (yet), ticket prices, or anything else apart from television rights.

So how do we tackle it? Should TV rights be distributed evenly regardless of performance or viewing figures? Should salaries be regulated across the board? Should ticket prices be regulated across the board? What about executive tickets? If these measures were to be implemented, how would that enable English clubs to compete in Europe? Suarez, Torres et al would never have come here otherwise.

The only place where collective agreements work are in the US (of all places). The lowest ranked teams get the pick of the drafts the following season. TV rights are shared equally, as is commercial income. But, there is no inter-country Championship for the NFL teams to compete in. There is no promotion or relegation. It's a closed shop, and it has evolved that way to serve its own purposes.

Principles are all very well, but how do you implement them in reality? That's the question. Instead of campaigning and complaining, what are the alternative solutions, and how would they work?

Over to you, SOS.

[Baracus]

football is clearly in a race to the bottom. thats why, FSG have put the prices up. They're trying to enable us to compete with the rest, whilst remaining healthy as a business. isnt that what we want?

so prices rise as costs are kept under control as best they can be.

That we are just a little above everton and man u over 24 years means that they're not doing anything drastically wrong imho.

not sure why lfc fans should be particularly aggrieved.

a lot of people are too emotionally involved. The emotion of football went about 20 years ago

football clubs are businesses now, the fact that some european nights give a great atmosphere only gives them a better selling point

its silly grown men who should know better think the club is their's
open your eyes

Ultimately most of this extra money has flowed into the pockets of players and agents.

Of course, we can refuse to pay such wages, but then we'd have been stuck with lower quality players for the past 20 years (even the ones we got under Kenny / Comolli). It's basic economics really.

Having said that, even now, the vast majority of games sell out. So there is a pretty basic supply / demand equilibrium at work here.

merlboo's wider point is that all football clubs should be charging lower prices, not just Liverpool. But, that is not the way life works. Football represents the purest form of capitalism. There are no collective agreements around player wages (yet), ticket prices, or anything else apart from television rights.

So how do we tackle it? Should TV rights be distributed evenly regardless of performance or viewing figures? Should salaries be regulated across the board? Should ticket prices be regulated across the board? What about executive tickets? If these measures were to be implemented, how would that enable English clubs to compete in Europe? Suarez, Torres et al would never have come here otherwise.

The only place where collective agreements work are in the US (of all places). The lowest ranked teams get the pick of the drafts the following season. TV rights are shared equally, as is commercial income. But, there is no inter-country Championship for the NFL teams to compete in. There is no promotion or relegation. It's a closed shop, and it has evolved that way to serve its own purposes.

Principles are all very well, but how do you implement them in reality? That's the question. Instead of campaigning and complaining, what are the alternative solutions, and how would they work?

Over to you, SOS.

on the rest of the points too.

[merlboo]

Yeah, but you're a communist.

Never paid a single penny affiliation to any political party

[merlboo]

All good points regarding distribution , wage caps etc .

I keep going back to Germany . There's got to be a blueprint there .
Also that monstrous TV deal that's on its way . All this could supplement Ticket prices .

[merlboo]

a lot of people are too emotionally involved. The emotion of football went about 20 years ago

football clubs are businesses now, the fact that some european nights give a great atmosphere only gives them a better selling point

its silly grown men who should know better think the club is their's
open your eyes

The Club has got to be there for our children . It'd be a dereliction of duty if we never thought in those terms too .

[merlboo]

football is clearly in a race to the bottom. thats why, FSG have put the prices up. They're trying to enable us to compete with the rest, whilst remaining healthy as a business. isnt that what we want?

so prices rise as costs are kept under control as best they can be.

That we are just a little above everton and man u over 24 years means that they're not doing anything drastically wrong imho.

not sure why lfc fans should be particularly aggrieved.

716% says we should feel aggrieved

[Sarb]

All good points regarding distribution , wage caps etc .

I keep going back to Germany . There's got to be a blueprint there . Also that monstrous TV deal that's on its way . All this could supplement Ticket prices .

Well when you can get the rest of the clubs in England to operate that blueprint then we might be getting somewhere. Not going to happen otherwise

[Muddled]

716% says we should feel aggrieved

Shouldn't that be 'insulted'?

[merlboo]

Well when you can get the rest of the clubs in England to operate that blueprint then we might be getting somewhere. Not going to happen otherwise

We have to start somewhere . The fact that its us doesn't really matter as long as we all collectively beat that path .

Arsenal fans have started to conduct their campaign . United have pledged their allegiance to making watching football more affordable . Everton have also stated they'll be onboard . We got a banner into the City of Manchester stadium which bridged the divide

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/awesome-picture-manchester-city-liverpool-fans-protest-high-ticket-prices-together/

If all the other supporters groups get themselves organized then we are in business

Other than that . We can always moan about it on here!

[merlboo]

Shouldn't that be 'insulted'?

[Muddled]

Ultimately most of this extra money has flowed into the pockets of players and agents.

Of course, we can refuse to pay such wages, but then we'd have been stuck with lower quality players for the past 20 years (even the ones we got under Kenny / Comolli). It's basic economics really.

Having said that, even now, the vast majority of games sell out. So there is a pretty basic supply / demand equilibrium at work here.

merlboo's wider point is that all football clubs should be charging lower prices, not just Liverpool. But, that is not the way life works. Football represents the purest form of capitalism. There are no collective agreements around player wages (yet), ticket prices, or anything else apart from television rights.

So how do we tackle it? Should TV rights be distributed evenly regardless of performance or viewing figures? Should salaries be regulated across the board? Should ticket prices be regulated across the board? What about executive tickets? If these measures were to be implemented, how would that enable English clubs to compete in Europe? Suarez, Torres et al would never have come here otherwise.

The only place where collective agreements work are in the US (of all places). The lowest ranked teams get the pick of the drafts the following season. TV rights are shared equally, as is commercial income. But, there is no inter-country Championship for the NFL teams to compete in. There is no promotion or relegation. It's a closed shop, and it has evolved that way to serve its own purposes.

Principles are all very well, but how do you implement them in reality? That's the question. Instead of campaigning and complaining, what are the alternative solutions, and how would they work?

Over to you, SOS.

A top, top post.

[Arn]

Ultimately most of this extra money has flowed into the pockets of players and agents.

Of course, we can refuse to pay such wages, but then we'd have been stuck with lower quality players for the past 20 years (even the ones we got under Kenny / Comolli). It's basic economics really.

Having said that, even now, the vast majority of games sell out. So there is a pretty basic supply / demand equilibrium at work here.

merlboo's wider point is that all football clubs should be charging lower prices, not just Liverpool. But, that is not the way life works. Football represents the purest form of capitalism. There are no collective agreements around player wages (yet), ticket prices, or anything else apart from television rights.

So how do we tackle it? Should TV rights be distributed evenly regardless of performance or viewing figures? Should salaries be regulated across the board? Should ticket prices be regulated across the board? What about executive tickets? If these measures were to be implemented, how would that enable English clubs to compete in Europe? Suarez, Torres et al would never have come here otherwise.

The only place where collective agreements work are in the US (of all places). The lowest ranked teams get the pick of the drafts the following season. TV rights are shared equally, as is commercial income. But, there is no inter-country Championship for the NFL teams to compete in. There is no promotion or relegation. It's a closed shop, and it has evolved that way to serve its own purposes.

Principles are all very well, but how do you implement them in reality? That's the question. Instead of campaigning and complaining, what are the alternative solutions, and how would they work?

Over to you, SOS.

It should be written into the TV deal that you are not allowed to rise ticket prices. Then the clubs would have no other choice than to accept it.