Liverpool vs West Ham - Premier League (20/21 - Game 7)

[Fosterbloke]

Six first team players missing and top of the league.

Thiago
Virgil
Matip
Ox
Fabinho
Keita

Anyone else I've missed?

Firmino

[Charly]

Matip & Gomez never started a game together

And probably never will...

[Exiled_red]

Motd saying not a penalty. That Mo is a diver. I didn't think it was penalty in real time but did on seeing the replay. Definitely enough contact for me.

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Not watched MOTD but I mentioned in relation to Moyes comments that this would now be a discussion again

[Irishnev]

He made the most of it. But there was clear and hard contact with the guy swinging at his ankle.

That’s a pen.

Don’t recall that sort of commentary when Man U were getting one every week.

there is a clear agenda against Mo - he gets pulled, dragged and rugby tackled most games for no foul. It was a clear pen

[Exiled_red]

I'm still not seeing the foul Mane does on the defender for Jota's first 'goal' Sky claimed it was for a foul on the defender not the keeper. MOTD not making it clear either way.

Shearer's suggestion though that it was 'just' a foul so rightly disallowed but the foul on Salah wasn't enough for a penalty. Am I the only one spotting an inconsistency here? For me you can't have it both ways

[Tribute]

I'm still not seeing the foul Mane does on the defender for Jota's first 'goal' Sky claimed it was for a foul on the defender not the keeper. MOTD not making it clear either way.

Shearer's suggestion though that it was 'just' a foul so rightly disallowed but the foul on Salah wasn't enough for a penalty. Am I the only one spotting an inconsistency here? For me you can't have it both ways

If that’s Harry Kane it’s ‘clever play’ for the penalty... if you’re a foreign player, you’re a diver. Murphy is an appalling waste of oxygen... parasite on the club. LFC should distance themselves from ex-players like him

[Exiled_red]

I know that ultimately it didn't affect the result but as I have mentioned the first Jota 'goal' was disallowed for Mane's foul on the defender not the GK (according to Sky). That is something that is really unclear even having seen it 6 or 7 times now. Ultimately it was ruled out by VAR and that decision needs to be explained, the pundits on MOTD or Sky need to be able to show that and explain it.

Perhaps as with all the recent VAR confusion there has been some miscommunication and it was disallowed for a foul on the GK (but I can't see that one either) I don't know, but clearly there is a VAR communication problem that really needs to be addressed. In the last 3 PL games we have had 3 or 4 big decisions go against us that have been difficult to see / understand.

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If that’s Harry Kane it’s ‘clever play’ for the penalty... if you’re a foreign player, you’re a diver. Murphy is an appalling waste of oxygen... parasite on the club. LFC should distance themselves from ex-players like him

I am finding the modern pundits frustrating I don't think many of the former PL players that have finished playing in the last 10 years are that good. In particular I am frustrated by many of the the former LFC players, Murphy as you say is a waste of space he offers almost no insight whatsoever, I find Jamie Redknapp annoying (but never really took to him as a player either) and Jamie Carragher is clearly knowledgeable about the game but I find it frustrating how negative he is against us it's like he is going too far to show that he isn't biased

[BobTheCharmer]

He made the most of it. But there was clear and hard contact with the guy swinging at his ankle.

That’s a pen.

Don’t recall that sort of commentary when Man U were getting one every week.

There was decent contact and therefore a pen. But mo doesn't need to throw himself to the floor. Not just Mo, but any player should be ashamed to do it. But the backing in here suggests he's justified in doing it as people just accept theatrics as part of the game. It's a shame. No one can say hand on heart that was a normal movement. He felt contact and swivelled and dived.

[RichC]

Problem is if you don’t go down you don’t get the pen, it’s ridiculous really as it forces the players to go down under contact which causes these daft conversations about is it/isn’t it a pen.

If justified pens were given for contact and not the actions of the player that was fouled I think we’d see less of it; takes the refs doing their jobs properly which is where it all falls down

[Kenneth]

Yep

[Kenneth]

I know that ultimately it didn't affect the result but as I have mentioned the first Jota 'goal' was disallowed for Mane's foul on the defender not the GK (according to Sky). That is something that is really unclear even having seen it 6 or 7 times now. Ultimately it was ruled out by VAR and that decision needs to be explained, the pundits on MOTD or Sky need to be able to show that and explain it.

Perhaps as with all the recent VAR confusion there has been some miscommunication and it was disallowed for a foul on the GK (but I can't see that one either) I don't know, but clearly there is a VAR communication problem that really needs to be addressed. In the last 3 PL games we have had 3 or 4 big decisions go against us that have been difficult to see / understand.

Whatever VAR thought, the red reviewed the incident at the pitch side, so it's up to him to explain the decision, Sky can't know that. I thought it was a foul, Mane's left leg fouled the defender and his right the keeper. The decision wasn't in the same league as others that have gone against us.

[Fredo]

There was decent contact and therefore a pen. But mo doesn't need to throw himself to the floor. Not just Mo, but any player should be ashamed to do it. But the backing in here suggests he's justified in doing it as people just accept theatrics as part of the game. It's a shame. No one can say hand on heart that was a normal movement. He felt contact and swivelled and dived.

The swivel is normally his movement in those areas. The tackle hurt him, you could see him holding his ankle not even bothering about the referees whistle or if he got a penalty.

[BigChief]

The weakest part of professional football is refereeing. Noticeably so. Even with the aid of accurate technology referees are being regularly exposed as the chancers they probably always have been. I don't like seeing diving but it's become the new offside law, i.e. carry on doing it and let the video decide afterwards.

Ironically, yet unsurprisingly, Utd have actually trailblazed this borderline dishonourable activity. I'm all for Mane, Salah, etc, spending much more time on the floor - under actual contact though, like yesterday.

[Exiled_red]

Whatever VAR thought, the red reviewed the incident at the pitch side, so it's up to him to explain the decision, Sky can't know that. I thought it was a foul, Mane's left leg fouled the defender and his right the keeper. The decision wasn't in the same league as others that have gone against us.

It's not in the same league, but it's still another decision that is unclear even on reinspection. Whether the decision is made by the VAR official or the on field ref using the monitor if a decision is changed or reviewed there needs to be an explanation for everyone's benefit.