Lucas

[Reece]

Ah come off it mate. Just because you put FACT at the end of a post doesn't make it any more than your opinion. Clearly plenty of Liverpool fans don't think he is garbage, if the opinion in here is anything to go by. So no, the whole world don't think he is average.

Plenty of people said that Rafa was the only one who rated Kuyt too, but he's just played something like 40 consecutive games for the Dutch national team so clearly not. And Lucas has just been called up to the Brazilian national team, not for the first time either (okay I realise there may be circumstances with their squad that has helped this).

Lucas has bags of potential in my opinion. He hasn't fulfilled it yet, but I can genuinely see a day that he does and I hope it's in a Liverpool shirt.

[Vermilion]

Ah come off it mate. Just because you put FACT at the end of a post doesn't make it any more than your opinion. Clearly plenty of Liverpool fans don't think he is garbage, if the opinion in here is anything to go by. So no, the whole world don't think he is average.

Plenty of people said that Rafa was the only one who rated Kuyt too, but he's just played something like 40 consecutive games for the Dutch national team so clearly not. And Lucas has just been called up to the Brazilian national team, not for the first time either (okay I realise there may be circumstances with their squad that has helped this).

Lucas has bags of potential in my opinion. He hasn't fulfilled it yet, but I can genuinely see a day that he does and I hope it's in a Liverpool shirt.

And that actually IS a fact.

[Reece]

Aye, cos if even one person in the world thinks Lucas is better than average (be that Rafa, or Lucas himself) then I win

Taxi mate, I'm not up for a long drawn out debate like some would be (hell it's been done to death RE Lucas on this site!), I just don't agree with your opinion on this one.

[-V-]

Lucas is garbabe. Rafa rated him, but the whole world could see he was average and Rafa stayed with him because he's a stubborn git and had a point to prove. Lucas will not be at LFC in a years time and he will NEVER make the grade. FACT.

Absolute rubbish. He is a decent player and most premier league teams would love to have him. Rafa held him back though, I defo think he will do much better this season in a more attacking team

[el matador]

lucas has improved a lot and if he keeps on developing then he might turn into a half decent player.

Ive knocked him loads but when a player tries hard and turns things around like he has you've got to be man enough to put your hand up and say well done.

I dont think we should sell him and no I dont think he's garbage.

[Slinky Skills]

lucas has improved a lot and if he keeps on developing then he might turn into a half decent player.

Ive knocked him loads but when a player tries hard and turns things around like he has you've got to be man enough to put your hand up and say well done.

I dont think we should sell him and no I dont think he's garbage.

Lucas is going to be quality.

[Craig_H]

Lucas is going to be quality.

Just hope i live long enough to see it

[red g]

Just hope i live long enough to see it

[Fierce]

Gives the ball away ****loads too, annoying

[little dave hedgehog]

it is really fascinating how lucas divides fans.

[Mattshark]

Ah come off it mate. Just because you put FACT at the end of a post doesn't make it any more than your opinion. Clearly plenty of Liverpool fans don't think he is garbage, if the opinion in here is anything to go by. So no, the whole world don't think he is average.

Plenty of people said that Rafa was the only one who rated Kuyt too, but he's just played something like 40 consecutive games for the Dutch national team so clearly not. And Lucas has just been called up to the Brazilian national team, not for the first time either (okay I realise there may be circumstances with their squad that has helped this).

Lucas has bags of potential in my opinion. He hasn't fulfilled it yet, but I can genuinely see a day that he does and I hope it's in a Liverpool shirt.

On top of that, if you have to cite popular opinion to back you up you have a really weak argument.

[Havors]

Lucas just aint good enough for a league/champions league winning team... which is what we want to be!!

He improved over the last year but when it comes down to it he just isnt good enough and we cant afford the luxury of hoping he gets better.

Anyway!! Whats all this im hearing about Arsenal putting a £23m bid in for Pepe!!?? Has Arsene totally lost the plot like the french squad did at the world cup?? It must be contagious!

And if its true what they are saying at the bottom of this report i will be very very very disappointed in Roy!

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6298449,00.html

the kid is a star in the making! and hes classed as home grown i believe.

[RedReet]

Ah come off it mate. Just because you put FACT at the end of a post doesn't make it any more than your opinion. Clearly plenty of Liverpool fans don't think he is garbage, if the opinion in here is anything to go by. So no, the whole world don't think he is average.

Plenty of people said that Rafa was the only one who rated Kuyt too, but he's just played something like 40 consecutive games for the Dutch national team so clearly not. And Lucas has just been called up to the Brazilian national team, not for the first time either (okay I realise there may be circumstances with their squad that has helped this).

Lucas has bags of potential in my opinion. He hasn't fulfilled it yet, but I can genuinely see a day that he does and I hope it's in a Liverpool shirt.

Gives the ball away ****loads too, annoying

Sorry, that just isn't true, ball retention is clearly one of his strengths.

I expect the usual sidewards pass crap to ensue, but the match on Thursday again showed that if the players in front of Lucas find space, he’ll pick them out.

[danperkins]

As regards Lucas, failed box to box midfielder turned Rafa workhorse, that is exactly what happened whatever way you want to look at it. From rafa's our mouth the change in his position was to "minimise mistakes" and maximise his work rate.

He improved last year for sure but in all fairness if he didn't improve on what he was previously then he would have a serious problem. If we want to build a side that is capable of winning the premier league and challenge for CHampions League etc over the coming years IMO you cannot do that with the likes of Lucas playing in your first team.

Its strange how so many people's opinions differ on this lad, i think many LFC fans are willing him to do well because of the stick that he has got and yes there has been a noticeable improvement in his game. Apart from the LFC supporters that come on forums (myself included), i have never heard any other LFC supporter say that Lucas was a good player, thats just me personally but i can tell you thats a lot of LFC fans i have come across in Lucas's time at LFC.

Anyways IMO this guy should be strictly used as a squad player or sold on. He is just not of the standard we need to win titles. 5 yard passes and nicking some balls here and there just doesn't cut it for me. He is no where as good as Masch is at protecting the back four,closing space,hustling and harrying and getting challenges in and he is no where near as good as Alonso was at keeping the ball moving,spotting openings,quick decisive forward passing and switching the play.

Lucas in an average footballer IMO and his potential that people keep saying well...... i personally can't see it, but he does works hard and shows alot of character and heart i'll give him that and i can respect that, unfortunately that only gets you so far. IMHO if he is responsible for protecting our back line this season, we are in trouble.

P.S. Wenger's bid or so called gossip its ridiculous, some journo must have been bored or something.

[Mattshark]

I know people who say Lucas is a good player, not that popular opinion is any sort of worthwhile judge anyway.

And the bits about only 5 yard passes and nicking some balls are demonstrably false. He is a very good tackler, he rarely gives the ball away and he is a good passer (not in the Alonso sense, but that is a ridiculously unfair comparison).

And to say he is a failed box to box midfielder when he has not been used in that role is a nonsense.