Lucas

[danperkins]

That's ****ing beautiful

So he changed his role off the back of a few training sessions, without actually trying him in a game.

And do you think clubs commit £5m on someone they havent scouted sufficiently enough to have an idea on whether they can do the job, and to instantly can their best laid plans as soon as the lad arrives at Melwood?

I love you dan, i really do

Ah opinionated Craig you are never wrong

Answer me this, is it not fair to say that the role Lucas played for Germio is completely different form the role he has at LFC and that his game has changed since leaving Germio?

[Fredo]

Dan dan,

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[danperkins]

So Rafa took the best player from South America at the time, improved him further, and he’s still ****? Is that what you are saying?

Who said he is ****? He was an average player in the premier league.

[Shaggy]

Same as Torres, then.

Maybe the fall from grace comes hand in hand with Hicks and Gillett's ownership?

Beat me to it.

[RedReet]

Jesus i never said we did but is it not fair to say that Lucas's style of play for Gremio is totally different to the way he plays for LFC in the premier league?

Players evolve Dan. The don’t pick a position and play there for there entire careers. Very few players move clubs and have the exact same role to play. I was gonna make a list of all time greats that played in different positions, but it’s pointless, the list is endless.

Lucas was excellent as an attacking midfielder in Brazil, he’s now improved his defending and becoming a decent defensive midfielder. I just don’t see the failure.

[danperkins]

YouTube - Alan Partridge Steve Coogan- DAN!

Genius

[Craig_H]

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[danperkins]

Players evolve Dan. The don’t pick a position and play there for there entire careers. Very few players move clubs and have the exact same role to play. I was gonna make a list of all time greats that played in different positions, but it’s pointless, the list is endless.

Lucas was excellent as an attacking midfielder in Brazil, he’s now improved his defending and becoming a decent defensive midfielder. I just don’t see the failure.

Mate If Lucas was that good at attacking, he would have been used in an attacking role for LFC. That is a complete no brainer.

[RedReet]

Who said he is ****? He was an average player in the premier league.

Don't insult my intelligence Dan. You have said much worse and you know you have. A lot of it seems to be deleted now. Maybe you said it tongue-in-cheek and I didn't know if you were serious enough, but you used to take every opportunity to pop up with a little Lucas jibe.

[RedReet]

Mate If Lucas was that good at attacking, he would have been used in an attacking role for LFC. That is a complete no brainer.

So he'd have played ahead of Gerrard? Rafa made it more than clear that he didn't see Gerrard as a CM, so unless he was gonna shift him back out right, where would he go?

[danperkins]

Don't insult my intelligence Dan. You have said much worse and you know you have. A lot of it seems to be deleted now. Maybe you said it tongue-in-cheek and I didn't know if you were serious enough, but you used to take every opportunity to pop up with a little Lucas jibe.

Seriously mate how may comments about any player that has done something **** in a game can anyone take seriously, thats a kop out. And of course some where said tongue in cheek, like most other players. But lets not exaggerate, for example I said before years ago on another site:

"Lucas was ****ing poison in that game" , which he was, does that mean all of a sudden i think he is ****ing poison in general. I admitted he has improved, so what more do you want? I have said numerous amounts of time, numerous that he is an average player. But sub standard for LFC's first team, that is my opinion and i am not alone, just as your aren't alone in yours.

[Maxiedge]

Same as Torres, then.

Maybe the fall from grace comes hand in hand with Hicks and Gillett's ownership?

I wasn't solely blaming Lucas. In fact I'm not blaming him at all. It's jst circumstances and we havent been the same since he's prematurely become a first team regular. Not his fault...cant fault his commitment to the cause.

[danperkins]

So he'd have played ahead of Gerrard? Rafa made it more than clear that he didn't see Gerrard as a CM, so unless he was gonna shift him back out right, where would he go?

I wouldn't have played him in general. Rafa bought him knowing his game better than you or me, and there were better players than Lucas in all the positions he could cover. If he was that good at attacking surely at this stage of his LFC career he would have got a proper shot in an attacking role? IS that not fair to say?

[Maxiedge]

Same as Torres, then.

Maybe the fall from grace comes hand in hand with Hicks and Gillett's ownership?

Also wasn't Lucas second choice behind Alonso when we came 4th (2008-9)?

[RedReet]

Seriously mate how may comments about any player that has done something **** in a game can anyone take seriously, thats a kop out. And of course some where said tongue in cheek, like most other players. But lets not exaggerate, for example I said before years ago on another site:

"Lucas was ****ing poison in that game" , which he was, does that mean all of a sudden i think he is ****ing poison in general. I admitted he has improved, so what more do you want? I have said numerous amounts of time, numerous that he is an average player. But sub standard for LFC's first team, that is my opinion and i am not alone, just as your aren't alone in yours.

Fair point, what do I want, ha ha? Anyway, when you first joined you took every opportunity to give Lucas abuse. If anyone had anything to say about Lucas (good or bad), you just had to add your wee bit. It was incessant and predictable. That’s fair enough if you were venting frustration, everyone has the right to do that, but Lucas was actually one of our better players and you didn’t have as much to say about the other 20 or so players combined who were much worse than him over the course of the year.

Look no point in going on about it, gets us nowhere, but it did happen.

I wouldn't have played him in general. Rafa bought him knowing his game better than you or me, and there were better players than Lucas in all the positions he could cover. If he was that good at attacking surely at this stage of his LFC career he would have got a proper shot in an attacking role? IS that not fair to say?

Was he not give a free role in one of the UEFA cup games and he played a blinder? The commentators who were slagging him beforehand saying he offers nothing going forward then had to take it back and of course blame Rafa for not taking the shackles off more often. Someone remind me, was it the Benfica game when he scored? My memory is ****.