Lucas

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Putting in a laughing smiley doesn't pose an argument. Cattermole is a better player than Lucas, simply laughing it off doesn't make it untrue.

CAttermole is a fantastic player and if Matt reckons lucas is better that shows how deluded he is. I would Lover Cattermole to come in if lucas went, think he will be a star and he is a year younger to

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could you compare Darren fletcher to Lucas, DarrenFletcher is 26 and was gash till 2 seasons ago, so maybe there is hope for Lucas yet?

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That must be why Roy sees him as captain material, eh?

hmmmmm making him captain in 1 meaningless friendly game when there was only Agger out on the pitch who had played more games hardly makes him captain material.

[Mattshark]

CAttermole is a fantastic player and if Matt reckons lucas is better that shows how deluded he is. I would Lover Cattermole to come in if lucas went, think he will be a star and he is a year younger to

Why is it deluded? Because you think so?
Why has Lucas got better passing stats? Why does he have better tackling stats?

[JohnDoe]

could you compare Darren fletcher to Lucas, DarrenFletcher is 26 and was gash till 2 seasons ago, so maybe there is hope for Lucas yet?

That was actually my argument for Lucas last summer, I even wrote it in my pre season analysis. Unfortunately, Fletcher is good at driving, going forward and getting to the box. He's also more combative, and doesn't **** himself when under pressure. He's also far quicker and stronger than Lucas, who is unfortunately, despite being one of the best tacklers in the game ( ), a wimp.

[Mattshark]

That was actually my argument for Lucas last summer, I even wrote it in my pre season analysis. Unfortunately, Fletcher is good at driving, going forward and getting to the box. He's also more combative, and doesn't **** himself when under pressure. He's also far quicker and stronger than Lucas, who is unfortunately, despite being one of the best tacklers in the game ( ), a wimp.

Lucas is very good under pressure, he keeps the ball very well.

[RedReet]

hmmmmm making him captain in 1 meaningless friendly game when there was only Agger out on the pitch who had played more games hardly makes him captain material.

Yes, because John Doe’s opinion that he doesn’t have the right ‘mentality’ is a much better indicator.

Have to go now, hopefully I’ll get a reply to some of my posts by the time I get back, and I can be convinced that Lucas is indeed ****.

[danperkins]

Lucas is also a very good passer, Diame is not. Also, it was your statement, I was just showing it was false.
If you are relying on just watching them and ignoring stats, you have a problem. Personally I like to use both and not just ignore or attack the ones that don't fit my preconceptions.

Reading into stats is false in itself matt, as many of us know from watching Lucas in every game he has played most of his passing are 5-10 yard sideways or backward passes that any 12 year old kid could do. I'm not getting into the whole stats debate again, so many people disagreed with you over it and as far as i'm concerned point was well proven, but take it and run if you will i have no problem in debating or chatting but with regards to that stats its just flogging a dead horse and its a very naive approach relying on stats when the evidence is in the performances.

Parker has looked good at West Ham and at Charlton, he has done nothing anywhere else, Flamini had one good season at Arsenal.

Em yeah he was with Charlton for 7 years mate, and he was good for Newcastle just injury prone and has been excellent for West Ham, he only made 15 appearances at Chelsea and for just one season and couldn't get ahead of Essien and co. no shame in that?. So basically what your saying is that since 1997 Parker has had one bad season?

Em and what has Lucas had? One average season and if you watched Flamini which you obviously haven't he came to Arsenal as a kid (just like Lucas) and was used as a utility player as Arsenal had bad injuries and Gilberto Silva in his prime was in that position in DM, and when he was used in his favored position he was not just good, he was the best defensive midfielder in the league, his problem was not talent it was greed.

Opinion is not fact.

No mate performance is fact.

Other player lose the ball too, what is your point, Lucas still doesn't give away possession much and doesn't give away a huge amount of fouls.

Lucas doesn't use posession as much as most other players, safety first which is where productivity in our team goes up the ****ter. If you don't use it you don't lose it

So, does he have too? As long as he wins the ball that is all that matters. That is purely aesthetics.

Thats what i said? We were merely comparing styles before you took it elsewhere.

I disagree (unless we are playing a team of similar stature when 2 DM's should be used).

If we are playing 2 DM's in any game we need one who is good on the ball and who is versatile enough to create and defend like Alonso was Essien/Sweinstiger etc, as we seen last season if we play 2 DM's i.e Masch/Lucas it means zero creativity in our midfield when neither are capable of distributing possession to the front line and the midfield breaks down. Zero creativity in the middle of the park, predictable approach and the same end product which is the inability to break any team down, especially ones that sit deep.

[JohnDoe]

Lucas is very good under pressure, he keeps the ball very well.

No, he doesn't. He keeps it very well when there's no one near him or when he's being chased by a 2nd rate Eastern European team. When he plays a Premier League game, against tough physical teams, he ****s out of the ball.

Lucas should be glad Newcastle are back in it though, he'll have his two blinders of the season where he'll be hailed as amazing. I fell for that trap too before.

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No, he doesn't. He keeps it very well when there's no one near him or when he's being chased by a 2nd rate Eastern European team. When he plays a Premier League game, against tough physical teams, he ****s out of the ball.

Lucas should be glad Newcastle are back in it though, he'll have his two blinders of the season where he'll be hailed as amazing. I fell for that trap too before.

was going to post same thing

[danperkins]

Lucas is very good under pressure, he keeps the ball very well.

This comment should be the end of the conversation, no disrespect but seriously mate common thats horribly rose tinted IMO!

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Yes, because John Doe’s opinion that he doesn’t have the right ‘mentality’ is a much better indicator.

Have to go now, hopefully I’ll get a reply to some of my posts by the time I get back, and I can be convinced that Lucas is indeed ****.

nobody is saying Lucas is **** i dont think, he just isnt of the quality we require at this stage of his career imo

[Bender]

nobody is saying Lucas is **** i dont think, he just isnt of the quality we require at this stage of his career imo

So your basically saying he's ****

[danperkins]

nobody is saying Lucas is **** i dont think, he just isnt of the quality we require at this stage of his career imo

perfectly said.

[Will]

nobody is saying Lucas is **** i dont think, he just isnt of the quality we require at this stage of his career imo

Hes not top class granted but he will get better. Hes had a lot of **** thrown at him and stuck at it, hes a kid lets remember that.