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And yet, Gareth Barry is clearly a better player because when you watch a game of football, you realize that Gareth Barry is the better player.Originally posted by saj View PostHe's cracking up: he's cracking!
John Doe's cracking up
Opinions can be refuted, but stats can't. The statistics show Lucas to be the top tackler in the premiership. Apparently no other player made more tackles than him in the top 4 leagues in Europe. Not even your beloved Gareth Barry
But I'll let you all wank off for an above average defensive midfielder's tackling statistics and let you pretend he's the next Dunga.
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I dunno about top 10 DM in the world, but aside from De Jong, i cant think of many in the PL who could be described as better than him. And he was certainly one of the top 3, i'd say, performing DMs in the league last season.Originally posted by JohnDoe View PostWhy don't you give me a potentially shorter list, of all the central midfielders playing in other top sides who are inferior to Lucas.
I think that could be more interesting.
Is Lucas better than Scott Parker? Yes
Is he better than Gareth Barry? Yes
How about Busquets and Xabi Alonso? No he isnt. That's a bit like saying 'is suarez better than messi?' No he isnt, but he's still ****ing good.*giggle*. Top 10 DM in the world somebody said?
Like **** he is.
You're all mental, he's not even close to top 10 CM in the Premier League. Man City alone have 4 players better than him at his position.
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I'm with John Doe.
Lucas is a good player, but we'll never have to worry about Barca, Real, AC, etc trying poach him from us. No one is saying he's ****, but he's a long way from world class.
Barry is a better player all round, as is Yaya, Mascherano, Essien, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Kompany, De Jong, Parker etc and serveral Diarra's."that is my opinion and that is more important than what anyone else has to say about it" - Mr A.Fergusson, Oct 2011
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I wouldn't mind checking back on this after a year in the CL for us or after the next world cup.Originally posted by BillobShaisley View PostI'm with John Doe.
Lucas is a good player, but we'll never have to worry about Barca, Real, AC, etc trying poach him from us. No one is saying he's ****, but he's a long way from world class.
Barry is a better player all round, as is Yaya, Mascherano, Essien, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Kompany, De Jong, Parker etc and serveral Diarra's.If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?
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Originally posted by Chris View PostHe's playing far better than that. He's a quality player who's mastering the art of winning the ball back and is effective in giving it like he did with that brilliant pass to Suarez for Carroll's goal on the weekend.
He's not at Didi's level yet, I'd swap him for Mascherano in an instant but he's a really good player.
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Extraordinarily simplistic.
It's John Doe's monthly Lucas meltdown
I suppose you've got to rant about him somehow given he's one of the first names on the team sheet despite your loopy assertions that he'd find himself in the wilderness.

Originally posted by rcasemore View PostI'd imagine there are plenty on here who weren't sold on Lucas to start off with but by Christ he's proved many of us wrong, cracking player, does his job well, never complains and I'd imagine he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet - week in week out.
If he was playing at Manure or Chelsea Sky et al would be waxing lyrically about how great a find he was and how important he is to their side (infact I bet Fergie would love Lucas in the side!)
Originally posted by Chris View PostIts unfortunately not though. Loads have been brainwashed by the media in this country.
Looks like the same has happened to you on Scott Parker!
Lucas still has room to improve, but he is a great player for us & is still very young. If he continues to improve at the rate he has, he will be a top, top player for us.3rd place. Worst champions ever.
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I reckon the Brazil coach might think Lucas is better than Gaz Baz, but then he's not a fan so it's irrelevant, tbf.Originally posted by JohnDoe View PostThere is not one neutral and objective football fan who would say that Lucas is better than Gareth Barry and Scott Parker.
Not one, because they're both better and the only chance anyone would say otherwise is if he's a Liverpool fan. End of.
You can make it out like I'm demented, like I give a ****, you're talking ****e end of. There is not one aspect of the game where he's better. Not one, not even tackling. Nothing.
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