Jamie Carragher

[Nicey]

This is all news to me, anybody got any quotes from Carra ? I know hes made some ramblings about "the foreign lads" but nothing I would classify as xenophobic, perhaps we are all being just a tad too PC, then again like I said perhaps I missed some of his pearls of wisdom. Would be good to hear what he has supposedly said

[Fan65]

I have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration for Jamie Carragher, he has been a rock through some very difficult years endured by the club. Now that his age as a footballer is catching up with him and his first choice position is under threat I hope he stays at the club in some capacity. If he decides to move on then I wish him success at whatever he does.

[Exiled_red]

This is all news to me, anybody got any quotes from Carra ? I know hes made some ramblings about "the foreign lads" but nothing I would classify as xenophobic, perhaps we are all being just a tad too PC, then again like I said perhaps I missed some of his pearls of wisdom. Would be good to hear what he has supposedly said

He said this recently when talking about England players, managers etc

Carragher also suggested that Premier League academies need to focus on English talent.

"We talk about players in academies not getting a chance but one of the reasons why they don't is because players from every other country want to play there," the 33-year-old commented.

"Our academies are not now just full of local players, they're full of foreign players as well and that's a bit of a problem for me.

"I think no foreign players should really leave their country until after 18 or maybe 21. The academy should be for local players."

At worst you could argue it xenophobic, at best it's a badly worded expression of his views, it's said in the context of looking out for the best interests of English/local players, which is something he's spoken out about a number of times. While I guess as a local lad that came through the youth system to play at the top I guess he feels it a duty to stand up for the next generation of players trying to do the same, I personally think he should be more careful in his choice of words as comments such as the above could easily be mis-interpreted.

[Nicey]

He said this recently when talking about England players, managers etc



At worst you could argue it xenophobic, at best it's a badly worded expression of his views, it's said in the context of looking out for the best interests of English/local players, which is something he's spoken out about a number of times. While I guess as a local lad that came through the youth system to play at the top I guess he feels it a duty to stand up for the next generation of players trying to do the same, I personally think he should be more careful in his choice of words as comments such as the above could easily be mis-interpreted.

Oh sweet mother of Jesus, he raises a very valid point, nothing to do with were these players are coming from rather the fact that homegrown talent does not get a look in because the acadmies are full of players who are not from England, thats not xenophobic that just simple facts ...

If you think thats xenophobic you do not understand xenophobia.

Any other comments he is supposed to have said

[Roboklopp]

This is all news to me, anybody got any quotes from Carra ? I know hes made some ramblings about "the foreign lads" but nothing I would classify as xenophobic, perhaps we are all being just a tad too PC, then again like I said perhaps I missed some of his pearls of wisdom. Would be good to hear what he has supposedly said

Not sure I've ever been labelled as PC before (username aside).

[Exiled_red]

Oh sweet mother of Jesus, he raises a very valid point, nothing to do with were these players are coming from rather the fact that homegrown talent does not get a look in because the acadmies are full of players who are not from England, thats not xenophobic that just simple facts ...

If you think thats xenophobic you do not understand xenophobia.

Any other comments he is supposed to have said

I didn't say that I think his comments were xenophobic, I said that his comments were badly worded and could easily be mis-interpreted.

[dww]

Oh sweet mother of Jesus, he raises a very valid point, nothing to do with were these players are coming from rather the fact that homegrown talent does not get a look in because the acadmies are full of players who are not from England, thats not xenophobic that just simple facts ...

If you think thats xenophobic you do not understand xenophobia.

Any other comments he is supposed to have said

How is that not about where the players come from?

I'm in two minds about the comments myself. Not sure they are necessarily xenophobic or malicious in any way but having the best talent, regardless of origin, in the academy has to be the best option surely? If we want homegrown players to be the majority of those at the academy the focus should be on coaching the very young before the poaching/moving clubs issue arises. That way they could a/ be indoctrinated in a LFC philosophy of the game and b/ the cheapness and ease of development would let the problem more or less disappear.

I take the point that he might have been speaking from a perspective of England/ the England team rather than one of club interest though.

I still think his comments and philosophy on football when it has come out has not filled me with confidence that he will make an ideal manager.

[little dave hedgehog]

yeah, my hesitation about carra has nothing to with whether i rate him as a player or a man, or whether he's made a couple of dodgy comments. it's the fact that i think he would be poor at management. i think he's pretty triffic. super defender in his day, still a damn good one in his twilight, loves the club, hard as nails...but i fear his ideas are a bit....i dunno, limited?

[Nicey]

I think a lot of people are judging him on what they think his football philosophy is or would be without giving him a chance, additionally I have heard many astute football commentators mention the lack of English talent and the need to encourage it more for the sake of the national game. I beleive thats why the new national academy was set up taking the best kids from around the country to one location with the view to nourishing future talent, thats just pragmatic analysis. Seriously disappointing how little respect our players get at times

[RedReet]

I think a lot of people are judging him on what they think his football philosophy is or would be without giving him a chance, additionally I have heard many astute football commentators mention the lack of English talent and the need to encourage it more for the sake of the national game. I beleive thats why the new national academy was set up taking the best kids from around the country to one location with the view to nourishing future talent, thats just pragmatic analysis. Seriously disappointing how little respect our players get at times

Are these the same ones that you are ''giving up on''?

[Roboklopp]

There were a series of quotes over various periods, some of which I (& I was by no means alone) found fairly damning. Without seeing those comments (& I cant be arsed digging them out for you), I dont think you're in a position to comment on my lack of support for our players mate. All due respect.

[dww]

I think a lot of people are judging him on what they think his football philosophy is or would be without giving him a chance, additionally I have heard many astute football commentators mention the lack of English talent and the need to encourage it more for the sake of the national game. I beleive thats why the new national academy was set up taking the best kids from around the country to one location with the view to nourishing future talent, thats just pragmatic analysis. Seriously disappointing how little respect our players get at times

To be fair most people are judging that on comments he has made. He has stated several times his preference for the counter attacking football of Houllier and Hodgson over the possession and territory orientated ones of Rafa for example.

He also thinks that there is no difference between his passing and that of Ferdinand which can be forgiven due to personal involvement but remains a misjudgement.

There is no disrespect in thinking that someone can be an exceptional player and a great person to have had in our team but doesn't appear to have very progressive opinions in terms of football tactics. Plenty of great players have gone on to be less than great managers and some such as Stoichkov have been utterly disastrous. The prime LFC example being Souness who should not have anything taken away from his playing record just because he was a **** manager for us.

[Neil Young]

All the same, we have no idea how he might change if he actually had to make decisions as a manager. And John Barnes believed in all the things we'd like to believe in when it comes to team play but he was still not up to management.

It's premature. If he gets a chance then let's see what he does with it.

[dww]

All the same, we have no idea how he might change if he actually had to make decisions as a manager. And John Barnes believed in all the things we'd like to believe in when it comes to team play but he was still not up to management.

It's premature. If he gets a chance then let's see what he does with it.

That's fair enough. Certainly no one saw Holloways change in style coming. Although I think the default position should be that players won't make good managers.

[Rich]

Could Carragher's opinion on young local talent have anything to do with the fact that in all liklihood an 18 year old Carragher at LFC today wouldn't stand a chance of a squad position?!