Jordan Henderson

[Captain Stu]

it does not matter if a player costs 50p or 50m, its what they actually contribute to the team, are they worth their place, are they better than anyone else sitting on the bench or from the reserves.

No, but it lowers expectations - we paid a high price for a young English player, that's what you do in the modern game but people see £14M and expect him to be Iniesta. He's learning.

the way some lads go on you'd think he was the saviour of LFC and all humanity

And the way everyone else goes round you'd think he gave AIDS to every single Liverpool fan's Mother and then **** on the family pet.

I don't get why do people keep saying he is being played out of position? He made his name on the right at Sunderland, and his supposed crossing ability and moneyball stats were the reason why we bought him and Downing, so Comoli said. He hasn't got the presence to control or dominate a midfield, if he had he would be a starter there.

I'm pretty sure even Steve Bruce himself said somewhere that Henderson is originally a centre mid.

[baitman]

was it the bad aids

[danperkins]

FSG's policy is getting value for money. At the end of the day Rogers and FSG will look at players and determine whether or not they are getting value for money from this player. Rogers coming in a immediately trying to offload Henderson isn't really a good sign for Henderson's future at LFC.

When Lucas is back fully fit, Allen can start to focus on passing & with hopefully new players coming in January... Henderson is going to find it even harder to get in the side than he does now.

Simply put, if he is good enough he'll be kept and if he is not he will be sold.

[Captain Stu]

was it the bad aids

Of course it was.

FSG's policy is getting value for money. At the end of the day Rogers and FSG will look at players and determine whether or not they are getting value for money from this player. Rogers coming in a immediately trying to offload Henderson isn't really a good sign for Henderson's future at LFC.

When Lucas is back fully fit, Allen can start to focus on passing & with hopefully new players coming in January... Henderson is going to find it even harder to get in the side than he does now.

Simply put, if he is good enough he'll be kept and if he is not he will be sold.

Have we learnt NOTHING from Lucas? If we'd sold him for being **** we wouldn't have the awesome player we have now. Lucas was ****ing atrocious for years but Rafa always stuck with him and kept playing him and he overcame it.

[RedReet]

Of course it was.



Have we learnt NOTHING from Lucas? If we'd sold him for being **** we wouldn't have the awesome player we have now. Lucas was ****ing atrocious for years but Rafa always stuck with him and kept playing him and he overcame it.

I tend to agree with you on most things Stu, but that’s just not true at all.

[baitman]

Have we learnt NOTHING from Lucas? If we'd sold him for being **** we wouldn't have the awesome player we have now. Lucas was ****ing atrocious for years but Rafa always stuck with him and kept playing him and he overcame it.

although true that lucas came good, how many games did the stubbornness of rafa probably cost us games and points. are we going to continue to ship results and points just to wait for a player to achieve some form

this is what the reserves or the loan system is for. we should only be playing the players who are on the top of their form.

[Captain Stu]

I tend to agree with you on most things Stu, but that’s just not true at all.

He was a liability, a constant ticking timebomb waiting to happen but he stuck with it and came through an appalling couple of seasons to become the player he is today.

although true that lucas came good, how many games did the stubbornness of rafa probably cost us games and points. are we going to continue to ship results and points just to wait for a player to achieve some form

this is what the reserves or the loan system is for. we should only be playing the players who are on the top of their form.

Now that I can agree with - players should be played based on form and, on current form, Henderson is worth a starting place ahead of Gerrard and even Shelvey who since coming back from his ban had a few ropey games before the Southampton/Wham games.

[danperkins]

Of course it was.



Have we learnt NOTHING from Lucas? If we'd sold him for being **** we wouldn't have the awesome player we have now. Lucas was ****ing atrocious for years but Rafa always stuck with him and kept playing him and he overcame it.

The Lucas scenario is so different, foreign player, small fee, no premier league experience. For every Lucas there is a Babel,Gonzalez,Ngog,Paletta etc the list goes on. Let's not use the Lucas turnaround like it happens all the time.

Two completely different players and completely different mentalities. I wasn't a fan of Lucas but happy to eat humble pie. Rafa he clearly recognised something is Lucas's play, that would suit in the premier league so the box to box player we bought was no more and Rafa turned him into an dout and out DM utilising his assets tackling and ball. Lucas struggled no doubts and Rafa's stubborness to play him cost us games that's why i was well critical of him, but i never denied the guy didn't have heart, like a tackle and had balls, Henderson is polar opposite to that and that is my main gripe against him.

For me the very least any footballer can do, is get stuck in. There is nothing more infuriating than watching a player bottle tackles. Your canvasing for Henderson to be a CM player, but you cannot get away with having a CM in the premier league that doesn't tackle unless you have supreme ability likes of Modric,Mata etc and Henderson is not that, not by a long shot.

[Captain Stu]

The Lucas scenario is so different, foreign player, small fee, no premier league experience. For every Lucas there is a Babel,Gonzalez,Ngog,Paletta etc the list goes on. Let's not use the Lucas turnaround like it happens all the time.

Two completely different players and completely different mentalities. I wasn't a fan of Lucas but happy to eat humble pie. To be fair to Rafa he clearly recognised something is Lucas's play, that would suit in the premier league so the box to box player we bought was no more and Rafa turned him into an dout and out DM utilising his assets tackling and ball. Lucas struggled no doubts i was well critical of him but i never denied the guy didn't have heart, like a tackle and had balls, Henderson is polar opposite to that and that is my main gripe against him.

For me the very least any footballer can do, is get stuck in. There is nothing more infuriating than watching a players bottle tackles. Your canvasing for Henderson to be a CM player, but you cannot get away with having a CM in the premier league that doesn't tackle unless you have supreme ability likes of Modric,Mata etc.

True. What about Henderson's storming games in centre mid last season against City and Chelsea? He was keeping Yaya Toure in his back pocket.

The kid can do it.

[danperkins]

although true that lucas came good, how many games did the stubbornness of rafa probably cost us games and points. are we going to continue to ship results and points just to wait for a player to achieve some form

this is what the reserves or the loan system is for. we should only be playing the players who are on the top of their form.

this post is bang on.

[danperkins]

True. What about Henderson's storming games in centre mid last season against City and Chelsea? He was keeping Yaya Toure in his back pocket.

The kid can do it.

I know mate but that was two games out of about 40 ya know?

Seriously if Henderson manages to prove me wrong and come good i will have no problem in coming here and saying i was wrong but i highly doubt this will happen. And IMO he'll be playing for the Villa/Fulham/Stokes of this world in the near future, because that is his level.

Just my opinion, not personally abusing the guy or slagging him off, just not a fan and don't think LFC can afford another passenger if we want to rebuild and progress.

[Nicey]

although true that lucas came good, how many games did the stubbornness of rafa probably cost us games and points. are we going to continue to ship results and points just to wait for a player to achieve some form

this is what the reserves or the loan system is for. we should only be playing the players who are on the top of their form.

The problem is that Lucas was not the problem .. many many games he was statistically our best player and he would just get in the next my the natives ... Lucas was always class .. supporters were **** in my books ... but unfortunately we can not trade our way out of bad supporters

[red g]

The problem is that Lucas was not the problem .. many many games he was statistically our best player and he would just get in the next my the natives ... Lucas was always class .. supporters were **** in my books ... but unfortunately we can not trade our way out of bad supporters

Lucas really wasn't always class, there may have been plenty of reasons but he really wasn't that good to start with and I am sure if Rafa had possibilities he wouldn't have played him as much.

the difference between Lucas and Henderson is Lucas gives it his all in every game and always has. We know Henderson clearly has the ability jsut not sure he has the aggresion or mentality to be palying week in, week out for Liverpool,.

[barnes10]

henderson's not had 40 games in centre mid tho has he. of those he has in his preferred position, he's been a pretty good player, even up against top quality.

what you're saying is like buying a striker, playing him on the wing and complaining he's not scoring 20+ a season. well, there are mitigating circumstances arent there...

also, this value for money point is missing the fact that a player can be the right or wrong player irrespective of the fee paid. a transfer fee paid historically doesnt play much of a part in a selling decision. sure we'd like to profit from or minimise losses from transfers but if we screw up and overpay, we're going to take a hit on it and get on with trying to take the club forward. what we've done this last summer is accept that fact, respond accordingly (wage bill) and move on. If we lose 30 mill on CHAD then so be it. the mistakes are already made and the damage already done.

selling henderson because he didnt prove to be 'value for money' during the first season is bonkers. Selling him because the manager sees no future for him and would rather get what we're being offered in exchange is the only reason to sell a player.

if we don't sell him then its up to him to grab any chances that come his way and prove to the manager that he should be kept. the fact rodgers was willing to let him go last summer doesnt mean he would be this transfer window. all depends what rodgers is offered for him doesnt it.

[RedReet]

He was a liability, a constant ticking timebomb waiting to happen but he stuck with it and came through an appalling couple of seasons to become the player he is today.

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I do not agree in the slightest but I know from past experience on here that it’s not worth the energy debating, so best leaving it at that.