Brendan Rodgers

[BobTheCharmer]

I don't really see how FSG are at fault. Or how they know less about football than various Arabs, Russians and other Americans. Rodgers' future was pretty borderline at the end of last season, but keeping him, improving the squad and giving him one last chance wasn't completely unreasonable. They backed him... but didn't overback him when you look at the net spend. They're expanding Anfield, have significantly improved the state of our books, and have provided enough investment in players for there to be no excuse now as to how they perform.

For all we know they're talking to potential replacements right now.

It's a good post is that.

[shanks69]

Rafa was never going to be back with Ayre still around.

Well it's not hard to solve that one.

he would never have come back once he knew the madrid job was there.

[Rich]

Personally I don't blame FSG but they need to be acting now, their loyalty to Rodgers was admirable but had proven to be misguided. We have a talented squad, the new manager should have the raw materials to impress quickly.

[Fredo]

The relationship with the board had made his position untenable. What we needed were new owners, but that wasn't going to happen. Should have bought him back after Dalglish.

Oh I know, but I clearly remember a lot of people getting fed up with him and wanted him gone.

Football is a fickle game. Two years ago, we should have won the league and we're in this situation now. Personally, I'd keep Rodgers for the foreseeable future and give him more time to turn this around, if Klopp isn't available (is he not on a sabbatical)?

[DannyMan2006]

I don't really see how FSG are at fault. Or how they know less about football than various Arabs, Russians and other Americans. Rodgers' future was pretty borderline at the end of last season, but keeping him, improving the squad and giving him one last chance wasn't completely unreasonable. They backed him... but didn't overback him when you look at the net spend. They're expanding Anfield, have significantly improved the state of our books, and have provided enough investment in players for there to be no excuse now as to how they perform.

For all we know they're talking to potential replacements right now.

I'm not saying the owners of other clubs are experts, but they probably actually like football. I don't even suspect that they watch the games tbh. Course they'll monitor results and the like, speak to ones who are watching the games like Ian Ayre. But I'm not sure that have the passion for the games.

Tbh it doesn't really make a difference, only thing I'd say is that if they're not having to go to games and hear the stick, they would be prepared to hold and give more time.

[Tatterdemalion]

he would never have come back once he knew the madrid job was there.

Not so sure myself, but we'll never know. My answer to Fredo above is that Rafa had his worst moments when player-trading. Even selling Xabi was aimed in that direction (who had had a **** season, which Gerrard seems to forget). when he had the money to spend, Rafa was good at picking players for his system - and he actually had a system - (save the purchase of Keane which was a disaster, but no worse than Balotelli). Any way, he isn't coming back, so enough Rafa love from me.

[Kenneth]

Since the beginning of last season, we have only gone into 8 games were our 10 game win ratio was better than 50%

What an amazingly obscure statistic.

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[DannyMan2006]

What an amazingly obscure statistic.

I could throw loads of statistics at you and everyone on this forum, but we only have to look at last seasons and this seasons league table.

We look no better than last season and other teams have improved since then. United are starting to look good and they were the one team I thought we could catch.

Our season is almost over before its begun. 6th would be a decent finish at this rate, just below Spurs or Everton.

[Leyton388]

FSG are in ultimate charge of how our money is spent, as they employ those who do so and have come into a sport which is completely new to them and bizarrely told their football management how player recruitment etc is going to work, rather than the other way round.

None of those spending the money deserve a pass for how much wastage there's been, but neither do FSG for overseeing it, or for the lack of expertise in their appointments above the manager (many would say that includes the manager). Appointments which would make sense at a corporate company but little to none at a football club, anymore than putting Kenny in charge of a marketing department.

I think they do want a yes man. They want someone where getting the job is their career's biggest achievement. Someone that won't moan about their moneyball****. A manager like Klopp, Benitez, Ancelotti, etc would want more autonomy. There seems to be a trade off at the club. Rodgers accepts little autonomy and little responsibility, it works out just fine for him and FSG. Rodgers keeps a job he doesn't deserve, and FSG get to milk a huge football club whilst spending very little.

All the experienced players ****ed off. Management, transfer committee, and board filled with people not qualified to do their job at a club this size. We've become an absolute shell of a football club, a corporate entity that is taking the piss out of the fans. If FSG really wanted to win then why haven't they appointed people that know anything about winning?

[MrMichael]

Personally I don't blame FSG but they need to be acting now, their loyalty to Rodgers was admirable but had proven to be misguided. We have a talented squad, the new manager should have the raw materials to impress quickly.

Absolutely, I cannot believe someone can't get this squad playing some good football and scoring some goals, whatever the bloody formation is.

I think FSG are the sorts to want to have someone lined up to takeover quickly if they have to make this sort of change during the season. Could they trust such other new appointments as we have in the backroom to caretake for long? Even if the decision is being made, or on the verge of it, I don't know if we'll see the result imminently.

[DannyMan2006]

FSG are in ultimate charge of how our money is spent, as they employ those who do so and have come into a sport which is completely new to them and bizarrely told their football management how player recruitment etc is going to work, rather than the other way round.

None of those spending the money deserve a pass for how much wastage there's been, but neither do FSG for overseeing it, or for the lack of expertise in their appointments above the manager (many would say that includes the manager). Appointments which would make sense at a corporate company but little to none at a football club, anymore than putting Kenny in charge of a marketing department.

I think they do want a yes man. They want someone where getting the job is their career's biggest achievement. Someone that won't moan about their moneyball****. A manager like Klopp, Benitez, Ancelotti, etc would want more autonomy. There seems to be a trade off at the club. Rodgers accepts little autonomy and little responsibility, it works out just fine for him and FSG. Rodgers keeps a job he doesn't deserve, and FSG get to milk a huge football club whilst spending very little.

All the experienced players ****ed off. Management, transfer committee, and board filled with people not qualified to do their job at a club this size. We've become an absolute shell of a football club, a corporate entity that is taking the piss out of the fans. If FSG really wanted to win then why haven't they appointed people that know anything about winning?

Plenty of top managers, including Klopp, would coach with little say elsewhere within the club. Klopp has even come out and said he doesn't want to be involved in the signing of players, like like Rafa was.

[ronanm]

Would say they are fattening the calf rather than milking it

[Phoenix07]

I'll just throw it out there like I mentioned once in the potential replacements thread - Hiddink or Capello on a caretaker gig until the end of the season if we can't get Klopp/Ancelotti?

[Buzzo]

The big thing regarding a change of manager would be exactly who is advising FSG. We need someone with a genuine trophy winning track record to come in and demand more of this squad. No gambles on potential here.