Brendan Rodgers

[baitman]

An idealist needs the perfect players to make his system work, a great manager gets results out of the players he has and adjusts the system to suit.

very well put, Bob...

[yamiedo]

Think you meant to best out of the players mate.

And they way some people are about mentioning Rafa at the minute this thread probably isnt the place.

Rafa would get the best out of the players in his system.

Well I don't mean to turn it into a Rafa thread, there is enough of them. Maybe its a question best served for the actual Rafa thread. It was a very good point by Bob and it just made me wonder what category Rafa would fall into. To be fair to Brendan also, I don't think it can be decided what category he falls into just yet. It is too early to tell.

[Baracus]

Well I don't mean to turn it into a Rafa thread, there is enough of them. Maybe its a question best served for the actual Rafa thread. It was a very good point by Bob and it just made me wonder what category Rafa would fall into. To be fair to Brendan also, I don't think it can be decided what category he falls into just yet. It is too early to tell.

I disagree CH. I think its pretty obvious which category BR falls into and it involves one type of player that has made my mind up on it. Andy Carroll. Rafa used them (Peter Crouch) and supposedly wanted Carroll. BR has yet to use N'goo in any of the Europa League games or the League Cup games. N'goo is head and shoulders above Morgan for a starting place.

[Gibbo]

Are you making the N'goo point because Morgan fits BR's system more?

[Lecter]

Michu was £2m

Hernandez was £5m I think off the top of my head.

Hernandez looks an absolute bargain at that price

[Fosterbloke]

Hernandez looks an absolute bargain at that price

Do you think both of them would improve our squad?

[Dalglish]

They would. They'd make really good right and left backs.

The three and a half role.

[The_weatherman]

An idealist needs the perfect players to make his system work, a great manager gets results out of the players he has and adjusts the system to suit.

Would Rafa be the idealist or the manager who adjusts the system to suit? Just out of curiosity.

An excellent post there Bob, but when you out it like that it's makes me wonder about the future, because I would place Rodgers firmly in the idealist camp who needs the perfect players for his system. Rafa on the other hand, well we are going to see how it goes with Chelsea now.

[Kenneth]

Wow. Bob That is exactly it.

It sounds snappy but I don't think its necessarily true. It took Ferguson a long time and a lot of players to make his system work. Jose has bought the players he wanted without bottomless funds to get success. They are both certainly great managers.

[Lecter]

Do you think both of them would improve our squad?

It would mean Joe Cole further down the pecking order so thats definitely an improvement

[yamiedo]

It sounds snappy but I don't think its necessarily true. It took Ferguson a long time and a lot of players to make his system work. Jose has bought the players he wanted without bottomless funds to get success. They are both certainly great managers.

I get that feeling too. I thought about Guardiola. He is very much a person who needed the right players to get the system working. He even shifted out a lot of talented players and replaced them with youth for that to happen.

[yamiedo]

I disagree CH. I think its pretty obvious which category BR falls into and it involves one type of player that has made my mind up on it. Andy Carroll. Rafa used them (Peter Crouch) and supposedly wanted Carroll. BR has yet to use N'goo in any of the Europa League games or the League Cup games. N'goo is head and shoulders above Morgan for a starting place.

Rafa used Crouch but he was another option in his system and if he wanted Carroll then it just shows that they were the type of players he wanted as a different option. He also completely overhauled the squad. Rafa had different options but certainly bought players to suit the system too. Xabi Alonso, as we all saw, the system fell apart without him. Then there was Torres, Mascherano etc. I think all managers to a degree will buy players to suit their system. It's just finding a balance. You have to find a balance and I think Rodgers is trying to do that. He got rid of Carroll yeah but then that was just a step too far. I don't think there is anything wrong with buying players to suit your system and even selling players if they don't. Obviously, it will take time but I think Rodgers will prove himself once has built the team he wanted.

[el matador]

An idealist needs the perfect players to make his system work, a great manager gets results out of the players he has and adjusts the system to suit.

Spot on bob.

Great managers just get on with it and idealists always have the player excuse for when things go wrong.

Rodgers is still young enough to learn that ideas and philosophies are good but winning is all that matters.

Incidentally smaller clubs will let you develop those notions like rodgers did at swansea without huge pressures. its not the case at liverpool where winning is the philosophy.

[Kenneth]

"Incidentally smaller clubs will let you develop those notions like rodgers did at swansea without huge pressures. its not the case at liverpool where too many fans have unrealistic expectations and no patience"

[yamiedo]

Spot on bob.

Great managers just get on with it and idealists always have the player excuse for when things go wrong.

Rodgers is still young enough to learn that ideas and philosophies are good but winning is all that matters.

Incidentally smaller clubs will let you develop those notions like rodgers did at swansea without huge pressures. its not the case at liverpool where winning is the philosophy.

I'm sure Rodgers will "learn" that the time and effort he puts into his philosophy now is going to benefit the team greatly in the long run and hopefully with that, bring wins.