Brendan Rodgers

[meffin]

Out of interest, what has he done tactically that makes you think that?

I think for the most part he has got it spot on with that. This season aside, we have been quite an intelligent side I think.

Absolutely nothing- that's the point.

He sets up with the same team, formation and tactics week after week, regardless of opposition (obviously apart from Real Madrid, but then he was resting the players so he could play the same team and tactics for the next game).

The tactics don't change during the game no matter what happens.

He hasn't realised that playing with Balotelli is like playing with 10 men, and that Lovren and Skrtel are 2 of the worst players in the league. We can't play the ball out from the defence as the players can't pass, nobody moves into space and our keeper's distribution is that of a Sunday league footballer.

He's either stubborn and refuses to change from his style or ****ing thick and doesn't realise hits not working.

[S-RED]

The two CB's in that picture is a bit out of context not much though); if you watch the clip again, Lovren goes to win the ball & momentum takes him to the position (in the pic). The fault in this instance is purely Skrtel's, he in fact takes Lovren out by challenging for the same ball, rather than leave it to his partner.

So as ever a lack of communication & we are at 6's & 7's at the back

[Pablo]

The two CB's in that picture is a bit out of context not much though); if you watch the clip again, Lovren goes to win the ball & momentum takes him to the position (in the pic). The fault in this instance is purely Skrtel's, he in fact takes Lovren out by challenging for the same ball, rather than leave it to his partner.

So as ever a lack of communication & we are at 6's & 7's at the back

Yeah a bit misleading perhaps, but damning nonetheless.

The two of them are never on the same wavelength. Another reason to change things up and desperately try to find a pair that works out of a bunch of absolute wrong uns.

[RichC]

There is too much wrong with us for this just to be bedding in issues

When you see some of the snapshots / screenshots from the weekend we look amateurish to say the least in fact "amateurish" might be an insult to some amateur teams




What are we doing in those screenshots???

They remind me of the back 9 photo from the Hodgson days

I seem to remember the same things being levelled in from his first season, let's see how the rest of this season pans out as I've no doubt he'll get the season anyway.

With regards those pics they are stilled shots in time and things like that can be used to have a pop whilst being taken out of context.

[Roboklopp]

I spose the point being made is that his first season was 2 years ago & we are still making the same set of mistakes.

[RichC]

I spose the point being made is that his first season was 2 years ago & we are still making the same set of mistakes.

What is the underlying reason though style of play or the players not following instructions for me I think it's a bit of a mixture.

I'm no fan of Skrtel who time and again makes the same stupid errors game after game but to be fair to him is that a concious decision to defend in the way he does or is that Rodgers enforcing that style on him.

[baronvonskidmark]

Out of all our new signings, it seems mad that the worst of them is almost certain to start every game, unless we are waving the white flag before we start like with Madrid.

It wouldn't surprise me if Can and Lallana combined play less minutes than Lovren, which is absolutely insane when you think about it. I really hope Rodgers is seeing something in training with Lovren to justify his continual inclusion.

The defensive problem is extremely worrying though. Looking at Rodgers' record it seems that mostly his teams do not defend very well. Rodgers has the ability to create exciting attacking teams, but his teams struggle defensively.

Perhaps Rodgers genuinely can't coach very well defensively? He wouldn't be the first - look at Roy Evans. Rodgers must look at things and see what every football fan on the planet can see - we need to tighten up at the back - but we never do. Surely he must be trying to rectify this in training? This makes you wonder if we will ever sort this out. I'm not one to call for a defensive coach per se, but surely someone could be added to the coaching staff that has a bit of nous about this area while still being able to fit into Rodgers' methods. Defending at set pieces has nothing to do with style of play for example. Someone who is a bit more savvy in this area but still adheres to the idea of attacking football is not incomprehesible.

I do wonder though if Rodgers would ever bring someone in like this though (even short term) as it might seem a weakness in his coaching abilities, whereas we could actually get someone in who can aid in the development of a young, progressive, forward thinking manager.

[Lecter]

I seem to remember the same things being levelled in from his first season, let's see how the rest of this season pans out as I've no doubt he'll get the season anyway.

With regards those pics they are stilled shots in time and things like that can be used to have a pop whilst being taken out of context.

They can be taken out of context to a certain degree you are right

BUT in terms of the first one, no way should you have that many players pressing a ball in such a short space

Its suicidal as 1 ball kills 5 or 6 players stone dead

The corner photo shows how bad we are in terms of phases of play, that is so poor imo its beyond belief in fact

[ashey]

The spine of the team's all wrong. Skrtel is brain dead & should be dropped ASAP. We need a proper, commanding DM; it's a must if we're gonna play with 3 attacking mids & a fullbacks that push on. And we need a reliable partner / replacement for Sturridge.

He's got big decisions to make; 1) stick or twist with the keeper & centre-half he spent £30m+ on. 2) What to do with an aging club legend (arguably our greatest ever player), who's not suited to playing DM.

FSG have demonstrated that they're not afraid to make big decisions, so he can't overestimate his position at the club.

Personally, I'd give him more time. I think if he can get a top quality DM in, play Gerrard further forward for the last 30 mins of a game / start every other & get a decent striker in, we'll be ok.

[RichC]

They can be taken out of context to a certain degree you are right

BUT in terms of the first one, no way should you have that many players pressing a ball in such a short space

Its suicidal as 1 ball kills 5 or 6 players stone dead

The corner photo shows how bad we are in terms of phases of play, that is so poor imo its beyond belief in fact

The corner photo as Pablo said is mainly down to yet another stupid Skrtel error challenging his own parter for the same ball now we all agree the defence is creaking but is it down to poor tactics or to poor decisions on the pitch I'd say it's probably a lot down to poor decisions but not helped by getting the right players in to organise themselves.

The pressing photo again in isolation looks bad but I'd be interested to see the lead up play to them being that many players in that small area.

[Pablo]

They can be taken out of context to a certain degree you are right

BUT in terms of the first one, no way should you have that many players pressing a ball in such a short space

Its suicidal as 1 ball kills 5 or 6 players stone dead

The corner photo shows how bad we are in terms of phases of play, that is so poor imo its beyond belief in fact

That first picture is part of this Gerrard horror show montage (right at the end):

[ame="http://vimeo.com/111345310"]Gerrard vs Chelsea on Vimeo[/ame]

The whole team close down as one, and one pass bypasses the whole lot of them.

[Lecter]

Reminds me of when you see 5 or 6 year old kids all rampaging from one side of the pitch to the other following the ball

[Shaggy]

Nightmare clip that. He's never been a defensive midfielder.

[RichC]

The spine of the team's all wrong. Skrtel is brain dead & should be dropped ASAP. We need a proper, commanding DM; it's a must if we're gonna play with 3 attacking mids & a fullbacks that push on. And we need a reliable partner / replacement for Sturridge.

He's got big decisions to make; 1) stick or twist with the keeper & centre-half he spent £30m+ on. 2) What to do with an aging club legend (arguably our greatest ever player), who's not suited to playing DM.

FSG have demonstrated that they're not afraid to make big decisions, so he can't overestimate his position at the club.

Personally, I'd give him more time. I think if he can get a top quality DM in, play Gerrard further forward for the last 30 mins of a game / start every other & get a decent striker in, we'll be ok.

The spine is certainly wrong at the moment but it's not obvious what to do with it at the moment as crazy as it sounds I'd currently be trying Lovren and Toure at CB just to see if Toure playing on his preferred side can bring some leadership into that back 4.

Gerrard isn't being played as a DM in the traditional sense he's playing that "quarter back" position to set up the phases of attack rather than sat there to break things up maybe we need to look at changing that as it's not working and we need protection for the defence as none of our current midfield players are offering anything near enough at the moment.

[Roboklopp]

All very well saying the players ain't following instructions but it's his job to make sure they do. Especially as he bought most of them players.