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    By revsionist I probably mean ignoring the problems that were there in his last season, couldn't see them being address the next either under H+G.

    To say we could have won the league by now cant be right IMO.

    You know Im a massive Rafa fan. Just being realistic.
    *Except Michael, who died.

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      Aye I know. There's only one season we could've won it in - last season. And with the upheaval that might have been ambitious. But this season certainly. ****ing rubbish league.

      It's such a huge shame all that asset stripping went on - if we could've kept the majority of that team together and kept the manager, I'm certain we'd have won the title.
      Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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        Personally, I don't think we'd have won it this year with Rafa still manager - last summer would still have been a rebuilding exercise for him too.

        Next season would have been it though.
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          Originally posted by Rich View Post
          Personally, I don't think we'd have won it this year with Rafa still manager - last summer would still have been a rebuilding exercise for him too.

          Next season would have been it though.
          I think whether or not we could have won anything this year under any manager was determined by what happened two summers ago. We did nothing to redress problems in the spine of the team and we are paying for it now. Kenny tried things (Adam in particular) that haven't worked but I think any manager needs two windows at least to have a good chance of getting things really right.
          "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
          -- William Blake

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            By Windows, do you mean summers? Because Kenny has had 3 windows so far
            *Except Michael, who died.

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              Originally posted by Alex View Post
              By Windows, do you mean summers? Because Kenny has had 3 windows so far
              Yeah, in my original effort it said 'summer windows' - editing fail I'm afraid.
              "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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                Originally posted by Alex View Post
                By Windows, do you mean summers? Because Kenny has had 3 windows so far
                One more window then show him the door and he's got himself a house!
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                  Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
                  Rafa unearthed world class players - Alonso, Reina, Mascherano, Agger, Lucas & Torres.
                  Great players and fabulous buys, no doubt.

                  However, I think its a bit of an overstatement to use the word "unearthed" for most of those. Mascherano and Torres especially were widely regarded as huge talents, but Alonso and Reina were also well known, especially in Spain (perhaps on the level of a Martinez now) and Lucas had just won the South American player of the year. Absolutely Rafa still took a chance on them etc, but "unearthing" should really be reserved for the likes of Arbeloa imo
                  I could not dig, I dared not rob:
                  Therefore I lied to please the mob.
                  Now all my lies are proved untrue
                  And I must face the men I slew.
                  What tale shall serve me here among
                  Mine angry and defrauded young?

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                    Originally posted by MrMichael View Post
                    Great players and fabulous buys, no doubt.

                    However, I think its a bit of an overstatement to use the word "unearthed" for most of those.
                    so true. managers love to slap their own backs if a signing pays off. really all they are doing is collecting players as they are on the way up, or almost at the top of their game. if they manage to get the prospect as an almost unknown [eg; ox-chamberlain at southampton] then they are hailed as a genius, no.
                    removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                    too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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                      Originally posted by MrMichael View Post
                      Great players and fabulous buys, no doubt.

                      However, I think its a bit of an overstatement to use the word "unearthed" for most of those. Mascherano and Torres especially were widely regarded as huge talents, but Alonso and Reina were also well known, especially in Spain (perhaps on the level of a Martinez now) and Lucas had just won the South American player of the year. Absolutely Rafa still took a chance on them etc, but "unearthing" should really be reserved for the likes of Arbeloa imo
                      They weren't world class however until they played under Rafa - they might have been good prospects but were never world class...
                      Thanks for the memories Rafa - YNWA!

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                        Originally posted by MrMichael View Post
                        Great players and fabulous buys, no doubt.

                        However, I think its a bit of an overstatement to use the word "unearthed" for most of those. Mascherano and Torres especially were widely regarded as huge talents, but Alonso and Reina were also well known, especially in Spain (perhaps on the level of a Martinez now) and Lucas had just won the South American player of the year. Absolutely Rafa still took a chance on them etc, but "unearthing" should really be reserved for the likes of Arbeloa imo
                        That's revisionist. "Took a chance"

                        Rafa built a great squad and a great team. We fell short because of the bickering fights in the boardroom and the rot got down to the players in the end. That's all there is to it.

                        All the rest is bollocks and revisionist crap.
                        Are we winning?

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                          Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
                          That's revisionist. "Took a chance"

                          Rafa built a great squad and a great team. We fell short because of the bickering fights in the boardroom and the rot got down to the players in the end. That's all there is to it.

                          All the rest is bollocks and revisionist crap.
                          Rafa built a great team but unfortunately didn't have enough money to build a great squad.

                          Gerrard
                          Torres
                          Alonso
                          Masch
                          Reina
                          Agger
                          Lucas
                          Carra

                          We had an awesome team
                          Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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                            Originally posted by cream View Post
                            Rafa built a great team but unfortunately didn't have enough money to build a great squad.

                            Gerrard
                            Torres
                            Alonso
                            Masch
                            Reina
                            Agger
                            Lucas
                            Carra

                            We had an awesome team

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                              Rafa vs Rafa


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                                Some great memories


                                [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X12Tz9z0fN8&feature=player_embedded"]Rafael Benitez - He Made Us Dream *HD* - YouTube[/ame]
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