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    Originally posted by barnes10 View Post
    the thing that gets me is that im sure the likes of gerrard, carra and torres all underperformed in rafa's last season. i remember carra being woeful and gerrard being utterly disinterested. fair enough torres was injured half the time but when he was fit, he looked half arsed. rumours aside, what i saw with my eyes smacked of them undermining the manager who gave them the best years of their careers. that, unfortunately, is enough for me to discount them as 'legends' for our club. my opinion is that they actively undermined the manager and therefore they lose a huge amount of credit from me for that whatever they did on the pitch when they felt like it.

    rafa's last season was better than the current season and he had to put up with what amounted to a mutiny from his leading players on top of the board room bollocks.

    rafa's a complete legend. I'm mixed about him coming back but we massively shot ourselves in the foot with how he was treated. you back or sack a manager and we got that 50:50 wrong and we're paying for that now. if those around him, players and board alike, were half the bloke he is, we'd have won 2 or 3 leagues already.
    None of that would ever stand up in court
    Substance > Style

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      Not my intention to disrepect the current regime but I think the senior players are starting to feel that old adage: Don't know what you've had until it's gone!
      In my opinion, we need the dream team at Anfield, Rafa & Kenny with Clarke & some of Rafa's backroom staff there.
      I'm sure Rafa can teach Commoli a thing or two about scouting!

      YWNA!
      Nope, don't need anger management, you just need to stop pissing me off!

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        I imagine Rafa could teach Comolli all manner of things about football, in fairness.
        Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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          Originally posted by Angryred View Post
          I'm sure Rafa can teach Commoli a thing or two about scouting!
          did rafa bring any players who were NOT spanish [or spanish based] ?

          masher, lucas, and...
          googled and found this; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ers-reign.html
          and this; http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/g...pool-transfers
          Last edited by baitman; 05-04-12, 10:12 AM.
          removing all the weak links makes us stronger

          too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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            Yes, loads. As your links show

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              Gotta love those ludicrous articles/assessments that include purchases for the youth team/academy - no other manager is subject to such scrutiny and no other manager has youth signings lumped in with senior signings. It's so transparent, so laughable
              Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                Gotta love those ludicrous articles/assessments that include purchases for the youth team/academy - no other manager is subject to such scrutiny and no other manager has youth signings lumped in with senior signings. It's so transparent, so laughable
                Aye was just thinking that when I saw "Where is he now - in the reserves" next to Palsson (for example). He was bought as a young player with future potential (or not, as the case may have been ). As you say you don't see Ferguson getting so much scrutiny for the young players he buys - Tosic? Bebe?!

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                  Originally posted by Reece View Post
                  Aye was just thinking that when I saw "Where is he now - in the reserves" next to Palsson (for example). He was bought as a young player with future potential (or not, as the case may have been ). As you say you don't see Ferguson getting so much scrutiny for the young players he buys - Tosic? Bebe?!
                  15million on them 2 alone
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                  Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

                  Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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                    Originally posted by red g View Post
                    15million on them 2 alone
                    Aye, well dodgy them deals!
                    Nope, don't need anger management, you just need to stop pissing me off!

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                      Originally posted by baitman View Post
                      did rafa bring any players who were NOT spanish [or spanish based] ?

                      masher, lucas, and...
                      googled and found this; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ers-reign.html
                      and this; http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/g...pool-transfers
                      Are you for real?
                      James Philip Milner Fanclub #1

                      Curtis Julian Jones Fanclub #1

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                        Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                          Originally posted by Rich View Post
                          Are you for real?
                          removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                          too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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                            Rafa unearthed world class players - Alonso, Reina, Mascherano, Agger, Lucas & Torres. We also saw Gerrard as the best midfielder in the world under Rafa.
                            If Rafa were still in charge who knows, we might have actually won another league title by now...
                            Thanks for the memories Rafa - YNWA!

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                              Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
                              Rafa unearthed world class players - Alonso, Reina, Mascherano, Agger, Lucas & Torres. We also saw Gerrard as the best midfielder in the world under Rafa.
                              If Rafa were still in charge who knows, we might have actually won another league title by now...
                              I love Rafa, but to say if he was still here we might have a league title is a bit revisionist.

                              His last season we went backwards, then arguably we would have gotten worse still the next. Not until this season would we have possibly seen some improvement.
                              *Except Michael, who died.

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                                I'm not sure it can be "revisionist", it's just an opinion. I think we may well have done, and I also think we'd have qualified for the CL this season - under his management we qualified 5 times out of 6, only failing in his last season.

                                Just my opinion.
                                Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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