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    #5116
    Originally posted by Bryncoch View Post
    Rafa inherited a squad that was on the up? wtf?
    Yeah Don't you know.

    Owen was on the up, Heskey was getting up from the floor.

    Cisse was up and coming.

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      #5117
      Originally posted by Bryncoch View Post
      Rafa inherited a squad that was on the up? wtf?
      I'll explain

      We went from 5th (2002-03) to 4th (2003-04). We'd just qualified for the CL and confidence was high. Does that make sense?
      Another MASSIVE game

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        #5118
        Originally posted by Rigadon View Post
        I'll explain

        We went from 5th (2002-03) to 4th (2003-04). We'd just qualified for the CL and confidence was high. Does that make sense?
        It is a little over simplistic as a description of on the up isn't it? Considering we also finished with 4 less points.
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          #5119
          Owen had refused to extend his contract and wanted to move to Real Madrid. Attendances started to fall and Ged was giving his "they want to go back to the old ways, well not with me" press conference. The one really big plus is that Stevie was about to hit his peak.
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            #5120
            Fair points Matt and Mr Coch. 'on the up' was a poor choice of words.

            But... the same squad of players, with the addition of a couple of players, went on to win the CL. It was a squad that was moving forward rather than one in decline.

            Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
            It is a little over simplistic as a description of on the up isn't it? Considering we also finished with 4 less points.
            Matt, we also finished with less points in 2005 (Rafa's first season) compared with 2004 (Houllier's last season). So, judging by your comment, above, you probably think we went backwards in 2005? I disagree, I think it was a squad that was moving forward.
            Another MASSIVE game

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              #5121
              Originally posted by Rigadon View Post
              Fair points Matt and Mr Coch. 'on the up' was a poor choice of words.

              But... the same squad of players, with the addition of a couple of players, went on to win the CL. It was a squad that was moving forward rather than one in decline.



              Matt, we also finished with less points in 2005 (Rafa's first season) compared with 2004 (Houllier's last season). So, judging by your comment, above, you probably think we went backwards in 2005? I disagree, I think it was a squad that was moving forward.
              I was talking about the team between 02/03 (64 points and 5th place) and 03/04 (60 points and 4th place). You could see what changes were being made in 04/05 and how we were building upon them despite finishing with 2 less points.

              With regards to winning the CL, Alonso and Garcia in particular were instrumental in us winning that trophy.
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                #5122
                Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                I was talking about the team between 02/03 (64 points and 5th place) and 03/04 (60 points and 4th place). You could see what changes were being made in 04/05 and how we were building upon them despite finishing with 2 less points.

                With regards to winning the CL, Alonso and Garcia in particular were instrumental in us winning that trophy.
                I agree. 'Can't argue with any of that
                Another MASSIVE game

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                  #5123
                  Total G....W.....D...L...Win*%
                  Total 350 194 77 79 55.43

                  Prem 228 126 55 47 55.26

                  Europe 85 48 17 20 56.47


                  2008/09 Champions League: Quarter Final

                  2007/08 Champions League: Semi-Final

                  2006/07 Champions League: RUNNERS-UP

                  2005/06 Champions League: Last 16

                  2004/05 Champions League: WINNERS



                  Is it time to bring him back?
                  Another MASSIVE game

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                    #5124
                    No.

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                      #5125
                      Originally posted by AnfieldForever View Post
                      No.
                      I can see your point
                      Another MASSIVE game

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                        #5126
                        Originally posted by Rigadon View Post
                        Total G....W.....D...L...Win*%
                        Total 350 194 77 79 55.43

                        Prem 228 126 55 47 55.26

                        Europe 85 48 17 20 56.47


                        2008/09 Champions League: Quarter Final

                        2007/08 Champions League: Semi-Final

                        2006/07 Champions League: RUNNERS-UP

                        2005/06 Champions League: Last 16

                        2004/05 Champions League: WINNERS



                        Is it time to bring him back?
                        Kenny have a higher win percentage than that (58.51% ) and more honours - why change to one that has a lower?

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                          #5127
                          I think the only appropriate time to suggest bringing him back in is if Kenny isn't the manager. Until then its not even a discussion to me.
                          *Except Michael, who died.

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                            #5128
                            Originally posted by Darkon View Post
                            Kenny have a higher win percentage than that (58.51% ) and more honours - why change to one that has a lower?
                            Because this season our win % in the league is just over 33%?

                            Kenny's European record is poor too.
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                              #5129
                              Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                              Because this season our win % in the league is just over 33%?

                              Kenny's European record is poor too.
                              Er....he has managed 2 games in Europe for us.....ever. I don't see how we can judge him either way on that.
                              *Except Michael, who died.

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                                #5130
                                Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                                Because this season our win % in the league is just over 33%?

                                Kenny's European record is poor too.
                                It was mainly to highlight how incredibly meaningless the argument is. Win percentage as a manager in the past is of little relevance to the current situation. If Rafa's entire record should be relevant why shouldn't Kenny's be?

                                Rafa's last season with us he had a league win % of 34%, I can see that will raise our levels to the same standard.

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