Rafa Watch

[Mattshark]

Er....he has managed 2 games in Europe for us.....ever. I don't see how we can judge him either way on that.

Does his time elsewhere not count in that regard?

It was mainly to highlight how incredibly meaningless the argument is. Win percentage as a manager in the past is of little relevance to the current situation. If Rafa's entire record should be relevant why shouldn't Kenny's be?

Rafa's last season with us he had a league win % of 34%, I can see that will raise our levels to the same standard.

No he had a win % of 47%. (18 wins our 38).

Because playing in the late 80's was very different under extremely different circumstance.

[Alex]

Does his time elsewhere not count in that regard?

Well it does, but if your going to pick out a win percentage in a certain competition, why cant I to back my argument?

I don't know his full record in Europe, but Id guess that he hasn't had many games to give it a real go.

[Mattshark]

Well it does, but if your going to pick out a win percentage in a certain competition, why cant I to back my argument?

I don't know his full record in Europe, but Id guess that he hasn't had many games to give it a real go.

Well I couldn't exactly talk about Kenny's European record with us in his first spell as manager could I?.

He has been in Europe with Blackburn, Celtic and Newcastle, as well as a few games for us last season.

[Alex]

I still cant see how you can say he has a bad European record. He has hardly managed there. As for the other teams he has managed in Europe...well there hardly powers are they.

My point is that it foolish to use his European record as a stick to beat him with.

[Mattshark]

I still cant see how you can say he has a bad European record. He has hardly managed there. As for the other teams he has managed in Europe...well there hardly powers are they.

My point is that it foolish to use his European record as a stick to beat him with.

TBF losing to Trelleborg was pretty bad. It is more that he has little experience in that regard and what he has done has not been good. So you could say I lack confidence in him in that regard.

[Alex]

Fair enough. TBH I feel the same in regards to Europe with him. Trouble is we need to get back to winning at home before we worry about that. I differ from you in as much as I think he can get us back winning here.

[Buzzo]

Well I couldn't exactly talk about Kenny's European record with us in his first spell as manager could I?.

He has been in Europe with Blackburn, Celtic and Newcastle, as well as a few games for us last season.

I have no memory whatsoever of how our Euro season ended last year?

[Mattshark]

I have no memory whatsoever of how our Euro season ended last year?

Limply to Braga.

[Buzzo]

Limply to Braga.

Vague, vague memory of it. Lose away draw at home something like that?

[Shaggy]

Yep, played in that weird stadium that has a cliff face directly behind one of the goals. They (Braga) were ****. Having been amazing in the league under Kenny last season, we were strangely abject in Europe.

[Mattshark]

Vague, vague memory of it. Lose away draw at home something like that?

Yeah

[Buzzo]

Yep, played in that weird stadium that has a cliff face directly behind one of the goals. They (Braga) were ****. Having been amazing in the league under Kenny last season, we were strangely abject in Europe.

Even after looking it up I don't really remember it. Certainly not the nil nil. It's been a strange couple of years

[Darkon]

Does his time elsewhere not count in that regard?



No he had a win % of 47%. (18 wins our 38).

Because playing in the late 80's was very different under extremely different circumstance.

sorry, only saw his home-wins in the stats and divided that :duh:

Still think win-precentage in the past or at 1 season is completely irrelevant to an argument of why you should hire a manager. And that was the main purpose of hightlighting that Kenny have a better record overall.

[Rigadon]

I think the only appropriate time to suggest bringing him back in is if Kenny isn't the manager. Until then its not even a discussion to me.

That's a fair point, Alex. I actually think Kenny should be given at least another year. Unfortunately, I think the decision has been made to replace him

[peekay]

Two out of Valencia, Bilbao, Madrid, Barcelona jobs will be available this summer.

I hope he gets into management next season.