Trent Alexander-Arnold

[Paul12]

No he isnt that good. Theres a reason 99% of teams always attack us mostly down our right.

Not unrelated tothe absence of cover on that side from Mo and (sometimes) the midfield

[SB]

Those are good numbers for a full back, but not off the chart good when the quality of team he plays in is looked at.

Just for a bit of context and using only fullbacks (regardless of flank) and also including sub appearances as part of the PL games played total.


Kerkez has 2 goals and 6 assists from 33 games.

Robinson has 0 goals and 10 assists from 32 games.

Ait Nouri has 4 goals and 6 assists from 32 games

Nathan Collins has 2 goals and 6 assists from 33 games.

Lewis Hall has 0 goals and 7 assists from 24 games.

Daniel Munoz has 4 goals and 5 assists from 32 games.


So TAA in a far superior team has a G/A return on par with guys doing well in weaker teams.

Would many of those guys in the so called weaker teams get a better return tham their current return if playing for Liverpool with better players around them?

Maybe, but think their numbers do show, in the case of a few of them, that they potentially have a higher ceiling within a better team than what TAA has been showing for a couple of seasons now.

Thanks for the research & you never know how those other players would go unless we signed them. The pressure & expectation of playing for us is huge & crushes some players , Nunez being a prime example. I wonder what those same players defensive numbers stack up like ?

[vlahka]

Not unrelated tothe absence of cover on that side from Mo and (sometimes) the midfield

No, they just know they have a good chance of getting around him. A right back shouldnt rely on a wide striker and midfield to constantly help him out of trouble.

[SB]

Not unrelated tothe absence of cover on that side from Mo and (sometimes) the midfield

True that. Diaz does a much better job helping out his fullback but that could also be an age thing

[Mark79]

No he isnt that good. Theres a reason 99% of teams always attack us mostly down our right.

1st half of the season, teams were targeting our left.

Its evened out since to the point were there's very little in it.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Thanks for the research & you never know how those other players would go unless we signed them. The pressure & expectation of playing for us is huge & crushes some players , Nunez being a prime example. I wonder what those same players defensive numbers stack up like ?

Some of them, like Daniel Munoz and Robinson , have good defensive numbers and stats whilst also having good attacking ones. That's not me suggesting getting them, but more a case of how some players do not see a drop off going one way when they are good going the other.


What did catch my eye was that the player from that list of players (including TAA) that has the lowest pass completion numbers for the season so far is TAA. Now it is not by a lot compared to a few of the other players but he still comes last.


TAA has a pass completion rate of 74.6% which when compared to all the other full backs in the PL puts him in the bottom 25% in the league for completing passes.


Who profiles very closely to TAA this season in the PL is Pedro Porro. In attacking and defensive numbers though Porro does make more blocks and clearances.

I was trying to not include full backs from other leagues as to just look at full backs who week in and week out would be playing against the same teams TAA does.

[SB]

Teams targeted Trent as when they pin him back they take away his ability to get forward which has been a big part of his & our attacking game.

[SB]

Some of them, like Daniel Munoz and Robinson , have good defensive numbers and stats whilst also having good attacking ones. That's not me suggesting getting them, but more a case of how some players do not see a drop off going one way when they are good going the other.


What did catch my eye was that the player from that list of players (including TAA) that has the lowest pass completion numbers for the season so far is TAA. Now it is not by a lot compared to a few of the other players but he still comes last.


TAA has a pass completion rate of 74.6% which when compared to all the other full backs in the PL puts him in the bottom 25% in the league for completing passes.


Who profiles very closely to TAA this season in the PL is Pedro Porro. In attacking and defensive numbers though Porro does make more blocks and clearances.

I was trying to not include full backs from other leagues as to just look at full backs who week in and week out would be playing against the same teams TAA does.

Thank you squire. Hope the weekend was a good one

[Doc_Piptorious]

Thank you squire. Hope the weekend was a good one

It was really good, thanks

[peterbread]

Could Trent’s low percentage be because of the types of passes he attempts and is likely given license to attempt. Not many fullbacks can make those big diagonals or rip it down the line to get Mo away. He’s not really been a normal fullback for a few seasons now. It’s part of the risk reward with him.

If he does go it will be interesting to see what the approach will be and how the balance of the team looks if they go with the more traditional style of fullback again.

[rudedog]

It's not just the direct assists with Trent though.

It's how his elite passing is the platform for our build up.

He's a really unique profile, we won't find another right back who does that, even if they do get comparable goals and assists.

He's our playmaker, we're going to need to replace that aspect somewhere else in the team.

Yeah, bit similar to how Alonso was for us - he had a fairly low assist percentage but played some unreal passes out from within our half.

[frank the tank]

The problem for me is he has gotten worse at defending (or feels like it) at the same time his attacking stats have dropped off too. The question is, has he stopped putting the effort in? I feel like we can do better at RB, but that does take away the other things he does add, being our only real eye for a forward pass (other than Elliott, who slot aint a fan of).

A traditional RB and a playmaker in Nunez' position would make sense. Id have loved Trent from 5 years ago though

When he had Fabinho, Henderson and one of Wjinaldum or Milner in front of him in midfield, it was probably easier to defend. The lack of creativity in midfield allowed our full backs and wide players to be very very creative. For someone like Trent or Robertson, having the likes of Virgil and Konate or Matip covering in defense with that solid as **** midfield and with hard working wide players like Mane and Mo up top, that must have been so much easier for them.

I do believe that Robertson needs to be supplemented with a better left back than Tsimikas. One who will go to be our number 1 left back. And I also think that paying a right back shed loads of money might not make sense (it will probably prevent us from buying other players).

But it's also surely no coincidence that Trent and Robbo have "gone to ****" from a defensive point of view as soon as the previous midfield broke up.

[Yozza]

Been getting some criticism about his body fat levels...

I'd happily swap!

[labourRed]

Been getting some criticism about his body fat levels...

I'd happily swap!

I did notice that myself, he is just coming back from injury to be fair.

[The_weatherman]

He's off, he's been maneuvering this exit for a long time. Don't get your hopes up. He just needs to say it after we clinch the title, and I tend to agree with Carra as well, I'd like to get Bradley up to speed and not play someone who doesn't want to be here.

I think it will be very interesting to see the team with two high energy full backs, Bradley and Kerkez (or someone similar) bombing up and down.