Darwin Núñez

[Doc_Piptorious]

I get that he might have felt his family were in danger but I'm still not sure that gives him carte blanche to go do whatever he likes? He completely lost it and throwing chairs (or trying to) into stands and charging in heavy handed probably wasn't appropriate behaviour?

I've defended him as a footballer, but I am uncomfortable defending this type of aggressive behaviour to be honest.

Unless we have been in that situation ourselves, then I am not sure how we can judge whether Nunez's action were proportionate or not. If you fear that your friends or family are in danger, then I expect common sense and rationality disappear out of the window temporarily.

In my eyes both your posts are correct. But a caveat has to be applied imo that a lot of opinion on it will be done from a comfortable position of detachment and with the high levels of rationality/common sense that can be applied with that detachment.



What he did was totally wrong technically but would argue that if he thought his family were at risk or after being abused or attacked that what he did was a morally undersdtandable and maybe even morally right reaction.


He is also a young man who is physically in shape with the attributes to be able to defend. Strength, fitness and no doubt the level of confidence that comes with peak physical attributes.


Touched on it in an earlier post, but if his family were at risk or he thought they were being attacked/abused, then he, imo of course, was 100% right to get in there and be a barrier between any perceived attackers and those he perceived to be at risk be it his own family or family of his friends.

Then when the dust settles he needs to own his actions and whilst they may be morally correct (again imo), and own the repercussions. You do wrong trying to do right, you still get to pay for the wrong part.


The bit with the chair I think he needs to be thanking the guy that slapped at the chair as Darwin ran past him. That little slap seemed to be the difference between the chair falling from his hand and it potentially being launched into the crowd.


If he did what he did for the right reasons, as in he was going after perceived threats, then I suspect he will have a hell of a emotional rollercoaster of a comedown afterwards.


And that's all before any cultural aspects get brought into it.



And as said in another earlier post, I think it also highlights a very poor security set up within a stadium that is ear marked to be one used in the upcoming world cup.

So the lack of security/crowd control that led to the events that prompted players and staff going into a crowd needs to be looked at too and rectified.

[Norbs]

Why were his family near enough to the Colombian fans to be threatened? All seems a bit odd

[Kenneth]

Its bizarre. Throw in the completely different cultures here too. You have a perfect storm with the emotional, hair-trigger South Americans that still kick off at each other first chance they get and then the overly PC, bedwetting English media, content-whores on twitter and Kenneth, who are foaming at the mouth at such an incident can still happen this day and age

Nice racism you’ve got there.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Why were his family near enough to the Colombian fans to be threatened? All seems a bit odd

Earlier footage of the game showed a mix of shirt colours in the stands so it appears there was a lot of areas in the stadium where both sets of fans were in together.


Again that is something the organisers and governing bodies should be answering questions about.

[Norbs]

Earlier footage of the game showed a mix of shirt colours in the stands so it appears there was a lot of areas in the stadium where both sets of fans were in together.


Again that is something the organisers and governing bodies should be answering questions about.

Odd thar they weren't in secure boxes or a designated family enclosure. Can you imagine the **** thar Victoria Beckham would've endured watching David play!

[Doc_Piptorious]

Odd thar they weren't in secure boxes or a designated family enclosure. Can you imagine the **** thar Victoria Beckham would've endured watching David play!

Not sure how accurate it is, though given the organisations involved it may well be true, but apparantly most of the boxes were designated well in advance to "dignitaries" and the like.


Like when a Champions league final is held in an 80 thousand seater stadium and the fan bases are lucky to get 40k in tickets between them.

[Norbs]

Not sure how accurate it is, though given the organisations involved it may well be true, but apparantly most of the boxes were designated well in advance to "dignitaries" and the like.


Like when a Champions league final is held in an 80 thousand seater stadium and the fan bases are lucky to get 40k in tickets between them.

Yeah but he's a multimillionaire with a petit wife and a toddler, not some great big fella like you

[Fierce]

Protecting family if no-one else is doing - absolutely fine

Continuing to kick off after they're all safe and sound? - absolutely not fine, and he deserves whatever **** comes his way

As of now, I'm not sure we know which of these scenarios is true. Probably a mixture of both

[Doc_Piptorious]

Protecting family if no-one else is doing - absolutely fine

Continuing to kick off after they're all safe and sound? - absolutely not fine, and he deserves whatever **** comes his way

As of now, I'm not sure we know which of these scenarios is true. Probably a mixture of both

He deserves what comes his way, but people do not come with an off switch in heated situations though.

Statements from other players in his team along with some of their family members suggest the abuse was prolonged and got worse at the final whistle with drunk supporters rushing them and pushing them about a bit.

Ugarte's mother received medical attention after she was carried out of the stands.

Darwin and the other players that got involved probably saw and heard what was going on and in their minds the worst case scenarios were taking place and they went at the perceived attackers, the fans they went at respnded to that with more aggro, and the cycle just went on and on from there probably.


Am sure if the players had some way of knowing most of the facts straight away and had the advantage of hindsight like all of us do, then they would have reacted in another manner, but they did not.

As said earlier I think, if they were under the assumption their families ( or family members of friends) were under threat or they thought they had been attacked, then the reaction of Darwin and others is very understandable and in some ways morally right whilst still being technically wrong.

The red mist reaction I get. That red mist taking time to burn away I get.


It does not excuse things like then trying to throw a metal chair at the crowd, it does not excuse a lot of things, but it makes it understandable imo.


Do think the fact that Darwin is a player that many sit on the fence over is part of why he is getting mixed responses from people.


We had guys like Bobby Firmino being caught driving whilst over the limit. Charged and convicted in court of doing such and he was not vilified to any great degree.

We have had guys like Steven Gerrard commit physical assault and he was getting his name sung to him for seasons after that.

We had guys like Jamie Carrager throw stuff at crowds, shout abuse at crowds and get into hassle around Liverpool and whilst he was playing in red he generally got an easy ride from LFC fans.


Darwin is a more easily replaced player compared to those names and as such I think it is easier to not give him a level of understanding for his actions whilst at the same time acknowledging that he will deserve punishemnt for the same actions.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Yeah but he's a multimillionaire with a petit wife and a toddler, not some great big fella like you

What has my general awesomeness got to do with wee Darwin though.

[Norbs]

What has my general awesomeness got to do with wee Darwin though.

If you were Darwin's partner there'd be no reason to worry about putting you in the pen. I'd be more worried that some Australian fella would search you down and nobble you

[Doc_Piptorious]

If you were Darwin's partner there'd be no reason to worry about putting you in the pen. I'd be more worried that some Australian fella would search you down and nobble you

Like Darwin could get with me. he's a 7 at best

[Kenneth]

Okay, but I think that underplays how crazy the scenario of a player brawling with fans in the stands, broadcast to millions, is. An incident during a high profile international match cannot be reasonably compared to an even in someone’s private life. Cantona and even di canio pushing a ref are iconic incidents and neither is as bad as drink driving, but they happened during the entertainment’ so are stigmatised and heavily punished.

My issue with this incident is less about the morality of what he did or didn’t do, with whatever mitigations there may or may not be, it’s that it was a moronic thing to do in his position; he’s a high level professional footballer not some bloke in the pub. Sure, it may have been red mist based on genuine concern, or a mix of genuine concern and bitterness at losing, whatever, but adults have to be more rational than that because there are consequences, and for the club, not just himself. And yes, if you have goodwill and achievement for the club in the bag then you’ll get an easier ride when it’s considered on balance, but he doesn’t, it’s all liabilities. Like El Han Diouf going from unpopular to hated after spitting on a Celtic fan vs Carra spitting and people thinking a bit less of him.

[Fierce]

He deserves what comes his way, but people do not come with an off switch in heated situations though.

Statements from other players in his team along with some of their family members suggest the abuse was prolonged and got worse at the final whistle with drunk supporters rushing them and pushing them about a bit.

Ugarte's mother received medical attention after she was carried out of the stands.

Darwin and the other players that got involved probably saw and heard what was going on and in their minds the worst case scenarios were taking place and they went at the perceived attackers, the fans they went at respnded to that with more aggro, and the cycle just went on and on from there probably.


Am sure if the players had some way of knowing most of the facts straight away and had the advantage of hindsight like all of us do, then they would have reacted in another manner, but they did not.

As said earlier I think, if they were under the assumption their families ( or family members of friends) were under threat or they thought they had been attacked, then the reaction of Darwin and others is very understandable and in some ways morally right whilst still being technically wrong.

The red mist reaction I get. That red mist taking time to burn away I get.


It does not excuse things like then trying to throw a metal chair at the crowd, it does not excuse a lot of things, but it makes it understandable imo.

Its absolutely unequivocally understandable, but its not excusable

I love Nunez. I think he has his faults and I think we overpaid; but in general, I'm a fan

But I think he's ****ed himself here

[Daniel 7]

Another example of red mist and a lack of composure. It's that same personality flaw that got him sent off against Palace. He's ****ing mental.