Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Chrono]

What was he saying?

Yes what was he saying ffs. I hate it when people do that.

Sorry about that. Was just raging at the time and spewing my anger in to the thread.

Most of what he was saying made no sense but at one point he was saying "there's a difference between a racist and someone who makes a racist comment" and other similar gems. Basically agreeing with most of the nonsense spouted in the tabloids but trying to justify it on their terms and looking an idiot.

Le Tissier was even worse, completely talking out of his arse clearly without reading anything about the case.

[Exiled_red]

The thing I don't understand is what did Evra hope to achieve with this? If he has said something that may be considered racist to Suarez and Suarez has said something that might be considered racist to him, surely he must have known that by bringing the Suarez incident to the FA's attention what he has also said must come out. This being the case the most likely outcome would be both players being punished, while a ban for both would be worse for us than Man Utd (as Suarez is more important to us than Evra is to them), it was Evra that reported the incident so what does he achieve?

[Jack D Rips]

Anyone who understates ferguson's part in all of this is naive in the extreme. I have no doubt that he is the one pushing this all the way. The sequence of events and his interview with Sky after the match is proof enough for me. Gordon Taylor could stick his mediation up his arse as far as ferguson was concerned. This was his chance to nail Suarez.

[G]

I'm sure I read in one of Gordon Taylor's interviews that the PFA tried to get them together to sort this out when it kicked off but the players or the clubs weren't having any of it (I don't think they mentioned any details). I mentioned this previously and as you suggest I can't imagine Suarez/Liverpool would have been opposed to this, so I'd imagine the problem to be at the Evra/Man Utd. Unless I'm missing something I could only conclude that either they didn't agree that this was a mis-understanding/cultural differences issue, or that Evra/Man Utd had gone so far down this route (in speaking to the press) that they were worried about losing face, or they have an agenda to persue against Suarez/Liverpool.

Alan Kayall over on TLW is alluding to this very thing and is blaming Ayre on it.Needless to say he thinks he's an idiot(worse than Parry) and that we are ****ed cos Suarez admitted what he said but Evra was told to keep quite about what he said,leaving us with no way of getting him charged for his part.

I'm not sure about that version of events mind,cos I was also pretty sure that Evra admitted what he said in his statement,so say the papers anyway.Either way I've said for some time that Suarez should have made a complaint at the time too and I can't see why he still hasn't made one yet,I'm sure he still can make one even though it would be one mans word against another if Evra has indeed kept quiet.Marriner never made one either which is ridiculous given what Evra allegedly said to him.

[Jack D Rips]

Alan Kayall over on TLW is alluding to this very thing and is blaming Ayre on it.Needless to say he thinks he's an idiot(worse than Parry) and that we are ****ed cos Suarez admitted what he said but Evra was told to keep quite about what he said,leaving us with no way of getting him charged for his part.

I'm not sure about that version of events mind,cos I was also pretty sure that Evra admitted what he said in his statement,so say the papers anyway.Either way I've said for some time that Suarez should have made a complaint at the time too and I can't see why he still hasn't made one yet,I'm sure he still can make one.Marriner never made one either which is ridiculous given what Evra allegedly said to him.

LFC say it in their statement. Doubt they would have said that if it wasnt true.

[Vermilion]

Tbh, whether Suarez heard it or not is irrelivant, if the FA know Evra said it, that's enough surely, they only proved Suarez said something because he admitted it.

If Evra said it, then the FA and their advisors look wrong, very wrong.

[G]

LFC say it in their statement. Doubt they would have said that if it wasnt true.

Yes thats true.Like I said,I doubt the credibility of what Kayall is saying but people seem to think he knows his onions.

I just noticed in the statement it says Suarez told the FA he hadnt heard the comment so that probably rules out him making a complaint.It also,crucially rules out the the converstation going the way the papers have reported it going.

All the papers said that Evra said in spanish "don't touch me,sudaca" to which Suarez replied "Porque,Negro?"

What I dont understand about that is why would Suarez say that to Evra if he hadn't heward what Evra said in the first place?

Another thing grabbed me too.The club say they are amazed that Suarez can be found guilty based on one man's account of what was said to him but surely he was found guilty based on Suarez's own admission of what he said and the FA's interpretation of that.

Really need to see the written reasons for the verdict

[G]

Tbh, whether Suarez heard it or not is irrelivant, if the FA know Evra said it, that's enough surely, they only proved Suarez said something because he admitted it.

If Evra said it, then the FA and their advisors look wrong, very wrong.

Yes but that is relying on the FA to take action of their own accord.

If Suarez makes a complaint then they have no choice but to take action

[Vermilion]

Yes but that is relying on the FA to take action of their own accord.

If Suarez makes a complaint then they have no choice but to take action

True, but the whole world can see them for what they are, hypocrites, more interested in using a foreign player playing abroad as a scape goat and tool for their own agenda, conveniently backed by one of the biggest clubs and most powerful managers in football, than really fighting racism 'wherever' they see it!

[TheElephantMan]

There must be a lot more to this than we are aware of, if we know everything there is to know then there's no way the FA could have reached their guilty verdict. They really do need to produce the details quickly, can't understand why there's so much of a delay? Once the information is out there then we will no doubt appreciate the reasoning behind their decision and we can move forward. The longer this drags on the more it seems like the FA are not quite as confident as they should be given the harshness of their punishment and the damaging accusations which inevitably followed.

[Vermilion]

There must be a lot more to this than we are aware of, if we know everything there is to know then there's no way the FA could have reached their guilty verdict. They really do need to produce the details quickly, can't understand why there's so much of a delay? Once the information is out there then we will no doubt appreciate the reasoning behind their decision and we can move forward. The longer this drags on the more it seems like the FA are not quite as confident as they should be given the harshness of their punishment and the damaging accusations which inevitably followed.

Maybe they were so single mindedly in pursuit of Suarez, and proving that what he said was racist, they just didn't give enough consideration to seeing if what Evra said is considered racist in other countries, and the fact that he said it in spanish would mean that being in England is no excuse.

Anyway, it's this reasoning that has me...er...befuddled, if Evra said what's been spoken of, it's seems crazy the fa could arrive at the result they have.

[TheElephantMan]

I don't think that could possibly be the case, it's far too serious an accusation.

[rudedog]

There must be a lot more to this than we are aware of, if we know everything there is to know then there's no way the FA could have reached their guilty verdict. They really do need to produce the details quickly, can't understand why there's so much of a delay? Once the information is out there then we will no doubt appreciate the reasoning behind their decision and we can move forward. The longer this drags on the more it seems like the FA are not quite as confident as they should be given the harshness of their punishment and the damaging accusations which inevitably followed.

I had assumed it was delayed so the details wouldn't be in the public domain until after the appeal?

[TheElephantMan]

So presumably the club have the information and it's being assessed?

[Vermilion]

So presumably the club have the information and it's being assessed?

Not sure they do yet, maybe we've pointed all this out to them about Evra saying what he did at the time of Suarez's defence, but we don't yet know why the fa have ruled the way they have, maybe their reason will simply be...Evra's comment wasn't as bad, or isn't considered racist ?