Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Lecter]

While I think we've been stitched up, I can't see us succeeding with an appeal.

Me neither

I personally think the club will say something along the lines of

"Whilst we reject the findings of the FA's report, we see no point in exercising our right to appeal as its plain the FA panel have no intention of reviewing the issue in an objective manner"

[Big-Red-Ed]

The FA has clearly favoured one persons word over another. I think the FA have taken their stand for their own reasons (the Blatter row) and will not be shifted from it. I think the media has decided against us, as has popular opinion fed by the media.

I wouldn't be surprised if the club take it on the chin. Leaving the only way Suarez can clear his name is by taking Evra to a civil court in a slander case to try to clear his name.

[Craig_H]

The FA has clearly favoured one persons word over another. I think the FA have taken their stand for their own reasons (the Blatter row) and will not be shifted from it. I think the media has decided against us, as has popular opinion fed by the media.

I wouldn't be surprised if the club take it on the chin. Leaving the only way Suarez can clear his name is by taking Evra to a civil court in a slander case to try to clear his name.

What do you mean by 'clear his name' though?

Suarez admitted using 'negro' so there's no dispute there. The report, the FA and Evra himself have said Suarez isnt a racist - so what is he clearing?

He doesnt need to clear his name against being a racist, because all parties have said he isnt one. He cant clear his name against saying 'negro' because he admitted saying it.

What's he clearing exactly?

[Exiled_red]

If the conversation is as Evra said, well it is not defendable really. If it went as Suarez said it did then it looks ok, so without knowing any of that it's an impossible case to judge.

That's how it should be, there's no real evidence just one man's word against anothers and alot of supposition. Choosing a side based on what you 'think' is a mad situation, there's no 'beyond reasonable doubt' with the FA which is a joke. This would be laughed out of a court of law.

[Exiled_red]

But they use the word 'probability', so it's not really proved, is it ? And how Evra was calm and composed during the hearing, well, he's been through this before so knows what to say and waht not to say...This time!

[Vermilion]

Me neither

I personally think the club will say something along the lines of

"Whilst we reject the findings of the FA's report, we see no point in exercising our right to appeal as its plain the FA panel have no intention of reviewing the issue in an objective manner"

The only way we'll appeal is if the club are in possesion of some other info they think relevant, and i doubt they are or they would have used it.

Although, maybe they didn't know they had the relevant info till getting this judgement, and seeing how the panel came to the conclusion they did.

You see, i hear they used body language experts along with footage to determine the..well lets say mood, of what was being said, and the tone Suarez was saying it, but if Suarez disputes saying what he's accused of at that exact point by Evra, but he was though being aggressive towards Evra, if they have just gone and belived Evras account and judged it like that then it's sad.

Suarez may have admitted to using certain words, but at different points in the match and in the sense he says he intended..ie. not intended as racialy hurtful, so even with all their experts.... it still comes down to one mans word against another, why talk about Evras evidence being better, calm and collective etc, that shouldn't matter..nerves can play a part in stuff like this, it's the evidence that should matter, not the way it's given! especially with a case like this, and it needs to be conclusive not...probable.

He said he called him it 10 times to start with, yet the evidence doesn't say that now, does it!? But he's reliable!

Don't really know if any of that is cleared up in the report yet.

[Exiled_red]

And to stick the boot in at the end with the "he's damaged the image of English football around the world"

well done FA.....way to make people hate!

After all the people you've rolled out in the last weeks saying how this shows how great we are here in Engerland, how we don't tolerate racism in any form...blah blah, how more civilised WE are compared to those nasty South Americans!

But now....Luis has damaged the image, make your frikkin mind up!

That's disgraceful, having said that I think the FA have done alot of damage to the English game with their handling of this situation, they have certainly damaged their reputation win South America.

[jono]

And to stick the boot in at the end with the "he's damaged the image of English football around the world"

well done FA.....way to make people hate!

After all the people you've rolled out in the last weeks saying how this shows how great we are here in Engerland, how we don't tolerate racism in any form...blah blah, how more civilised WE are compared to those nasty South Americans!

But now....Luis has damaged the image, make your frikkin mind up!

So the person that's damaged English football is a South American and not the CAPTAIN of the ENGLAND football team. The same captain that used more overt racist tones. The same captain that the FA did nothing about and breathed a sigh of relief when a member of the public did something and reported him to the police, thus ensuring that they not take action.

[Exiled_red]

Me neither

I personally think the club will say something along the lines of

"Whilst we reject the findings of the FA's report, we see no point in exercising our right to appeal as its plain the FA panel have no intention of reviewing the issue in an objective manner"

What happens with the appeal is it heard by the same panel or a different one? There will be a better chance of a successful appeal if it's a different panel (obviously), but I still think there is a stitch up here.

[Vermilion]

It's a sad affair.

[Exiled_red]

The only way we'll appeal is if the club are in possesion of some other info they think relevant, and i doubt they are or they would have used it.

Although, maybe they didn't know they had the relevant info till getting this judgement, and seeing how the panel came to the conclusion they did.

You see, i hear they used body language experts along with footage to determine the..well lets say mood, of what was being said, and the tone Suarez was saying it, but if Suarez disputes saying what he's accused of at that exact point by Evra, but he was though being aggressive towards Evra, if they have just gone and belived Evras account and judged it like that then it's sad.

Suarez may have admitted to using certain words, but at different points in the match and in the sense he says he intended..ie. not intended as racialy hurtful, so even with all their experts.... it still comes down to one mans word against another, why talk about Evras evidence being better, calm and collective etc, that shouldn't matter..nerves can play a part in stuff like this, it's the evidence that should matter, not the way it's given! especially with a case like this, and it needs to be conclusive not...probable.

He said he called him it 10 times to start with, yet the evidence doesn't say that now, does it!? But he's reliable!

Don't really know if any of that is cleared up in the report yet.

Obviously Evra's going to be calmer, he's not the one on trial, he has been through this before, he has a better grasp of English and he was able to give his side while going through the tape.

[ChesterDave]

The only way we'll appeal is if the club are in possesion of some other info they think relevant, and i doubt they are or they would have used it.

Although, maybe they didn't know they had the relevant info till getting this judgement, and seeing how the panel came to the conclusion they did.

You see, i hear they used body language experts along with footage to determine the..well lets say mood, of what was being said, and the tone Suarez was saying it, but if Suarez disputes saying what he's accused of at that exact point by Evra, but he was though being aggressive towards Evra, if they have just gone and belived Evras account and judged it like that then it's sad.

Suarez may have admitted to using certain words, but at different points in the match and in the sense he says he intended..ie. not intended as racialy hurtful, so even with all their experts.... it still comes down to one mans word against another, why talk about Evras evidence being better, calm and collective etc, that shouldn't matter..nerves can play a part in stuff like this, it's the evidence that should matter, not the way it's given! especially with a case like this, and it needs to be conclusive not...probable.

He said he called him it 10 times to start with, yet the evidence doesn't say that now, does it!? But he's reliable!

Don't really know if any of that is cleared up in the report yet.

That it was a deliberate foul - indicates a mindset that Luis was guilty of something and that Evra was justifiably angry. That the confrontation in the goalmouth was heated - Evra was angry that he had been deliberately fouled and Luis responded in a hostile manner - pinching his arm. When in reality he was probably telling him to stop being such a little girl over a nother incident that happened 6 minutes previous and would rather he should just shut up (the quacking motion). The FA themself said Evra was still in shock but had nothing to show Luis was wound up, just their make-believe interpretation of his body language?

That the inconsistencies in Luis' evidence dents his reliability as a witness but he was not allowed to give evidence while watchingthe video in the same way that Evra was. This in itself is the ground for appeal that we can object to the whole commission - that it was procedurally unfair. Dont even have to dispute their findings, or the evidence used.

[Exiled_red]

That it was a deliberate foul - indicates a mindset that Luis was guilty of something and that Evra was justifiably angry. That the confrontation in the goalmouth was heated - Evra was angry that he had been deliberately fouled and Luis responded in a hostile manner - pinching his arm. When in reality he was probably telling him to stop being such a little girl over a nother incident that happened 6 minutes previous and would rather he should just shut up (the quacking motion). The FA themself said Evra was still in shock but had nothing to show Luis was wound up, just their make-believe interpretation of his body language?

That the inconsistencies in Luis' evidence dents his reliability as a witness but he was not allowed to give evidence while watchingthe video in the same way that Evra was. This in itself is the ground for appeal that we can object to the whole commission - that it was procedurally unfair. Dont even have to dispute their findings, or the evidence used.

[CJ]

What do you mean by 'clear his name' though?

Suarez admitted using 'negro' so there's no dispute there. The report, the FA and Evra himself have said Suarez isnt a racist - so what is he clearing?

He doesnt need to clear his name against being a racist, because all parties have said he isnt one. He cant clear his name against saying 'negro' because he admitted saying it.

What's he clearing exactly?

The panel believed that in the context of the discussion that the two players were having that they didn't believe it was a friendly comment so therefore it was mean in a deregetory manner.

My view is that Suarez was being sarcy not racist. However it is arguable that evra heard it as an insult.

Not sure that the punishment fits with all that tbh.

I agree with the panel in as much as I doubt Suarez was being friendly during the argument, i do think he was being sarcy which still means that negro wasn't meant in a bad way. A bit like two people arguing and one saying mate etc.

[redsarebest]

In the absence of anything independent they were left deciding between Evra / Suarez versions.
They seem to accept that just the manner of delivery isn't enough to sway it. What has determined it is that Suarez rather stupidly insists that he "pinched" in a concilliatory manner when the video we've all seen makes that clearly nonsense - he was clearly anything but friendly. Since that is a piece of real evidence that dents his credibility thats a decent basis for deciding to favour Evra imo

however ,
1. If that video about the foul wasnt shown to the panel that may consitute new evidence - clearly affects Evra's credibility in same way - does he get touched at all?
2. why wasnt Evra's suggestion that he told the ref before his booking incident which the ref doesnt confirm also a bit of evidence against Evra being believed?
3. The observation that Suarez alters his position to use a word in the language expert report is wholly unfair given the translator chooses the English word
4. Penalty ridiculous where its accepted that the word is innocent enough to Suarez - crime is his delivery - miles away from "****** " allegation that we started with - suspended ban now he knows imo