Kenny isn't what we need

[BobTheCharmer]

Emery or Ancelotti.

fair enough. would you do it now or wait until may?

I think/hope Kenny will sort it out, I can really see parts where we're so much better than before. I think gerrard being missing obviously wasn't part of his plans and would have added better balance. I also wish spearing and maxi had a bit more game time. but it is very early to be making rash decisions and part of a managers job is to know how to handle his players, dropping downing might finish him mentally for all we know. he was bought to deliver crosses and he's done that. he isn't ryan giggs and never will be. football is such a fine line between winning and not. if its all about systems, then we wouldn't have had so many dismal draws under previous management. very few people are giving swansea any credit for yesterday, to a man they were superb.

[Craig_H]

No problem, I'll try again

IF (big if, I know) enforced, the rules will restrict spending of the clubs. We won't be able to do what we have done this year in the transfer market. Having bought english like we have, we really shouldn't need to either.

IMO this has affected our transfer policy.

Which was what, spend £100m gross, you mean? Maybe not but what's that got to do with whether signings are english or foreign?

[Craig_H]

Hardly conclusive though.

Too much guesswork in these threads from wannabe football managers.

I dont get this at all. As fans, what we 'know' for a fact, regarding tactics, systems, training etc etc, is gonna be minimal at best, given that we dont have access to the dressing room or Melwood.

Hardly anything we post is conclusive, it's nigh-on ALL opinion based.

So what's your point? We should only post stuff that's conclusive?

There'd be about 3 threads

[Craig_H]

Have we looked that bad though??

I dont think we have, after watching some of the dross served up under Rafa & Roy I think we have rarely hit those lows consistantly under Kenny

Downing I dont rate, never have and despite a good start (surprisingly) hes lapsed back into his comfort zone and his level is what I've expected

Carroll to me has improved over the last few weeks, his all round contribution has improved but hes still someway off being worth £35 million

Henderson I'm not sold on but I think he might turn out good

There are major differences between Roy/Rafa and the side under Kenny

Roys teams sat deep and gave up the ghost they lacked fight, passion and any kind of intent

Rafa's side were extremely well organised, disciplined but at times were so blunt

Kennys sides are far more open, trying to play on the front foot, but we havent been anywhere clinical enough

Even someone like Suarez (as brilliant as he is) is often profligate in front of goal

Thats my biggest worry, I'm not saying we couldnt create more because we could but improving our finishing has to be a priority. You dont hit the bar eleventy times (or whatever it is) without creating chances, but you dont win games by hitting the woodwork

Firstly, the Hodgson era is no barometer to use, so i'd ditch that one straight away.

Second, Rafa was here for 6 years, Kenny's not even been back for one year yet.

Most of Rafa's time didnt consist of serving up dross, arguably the last year of his reign was. So his 6th year.

Bit unfair, with Kenny not even 1 year into it, to start comparing frequency of dross, compared to six years' worth.

[Craig_H]

And who is our only goal threat? The answer is Suarez. You don't really expect anyone else to score. That is why I predicted some fantasy scores in our latest games and Suarez to score almost all of them.

Is it money well spent when we only have one goal threat?

I would even say that Morgan would have done better than Carroll. So why splash out £35m on a player instead of giving him a chance?

Is Carroll really that much better than Morgan? Would Morgan missed sitter after sitter the way Carroll do?

Carroll is probably the better player but Morgan is no doubt the better finisher.

And what about sterling too? It's a ****ing disgrace how a £20m player never gets used, what an utter waste of money. Sack Linda Pizzuti

But you know, Kenny need to be given time he only splashed out £100m so far. Who cares if it may cost us Suarez and Enrique in the summer if we miss out on the CL? The important thing is that Kenny is given time. That is more important than keeping our best players.

How many believe that Suarez and Enrique will stay if Barcelona or Real Madrid make a bid and we missed out on the CL, again?

If we lose them then we are yet again back on square one.

Excuse me, why did we emphatically beat the 'net spend' drum with Rafa, but are now playing the 'gross spend' violin with Kenny?

Fair enough but it is still a big ? to why we rushed things. Carroll was clearly not the number one option. We tried to sign Gomez but Bayern turned us down.

I don't think that many would have moaned if we had waited until the summer and given Morgan a chance but that is my opinion.

Maybe because the window was hours away from closing?

[BobTheCharmer]

Most of Rafa's time didnt consist of serving up dross, arguably the last year of his reign was. So his 6th year.

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****ing hell some of the football was dire, wrist slitting stuff. lets not re- write history. in europe he was in his element.

[Craig_H]

****ing hell some of the football was dire, wrist slitting stuff. lets not re- write history. in europe he was in his element.

First year or two, he was making do with the likes of biscan and traore. His last year was dreadful.

In between that, we were consistently qualifying for the CL with our eyes closed and one of europe's top clubs.

[Neil Young]

Emery or Ancelotti.

Arn, you are awful but I like you.

I think there would have been a massive uproar if we'd sold Torres and not replaced him, absolutely massive. FSG could have been seen as the continuation of H&G if they'd not been careful and after what we'd been through for the previous 3 years I'm pretty sure they'd have been mindful of that.

TFR too f*cking right.

[Craig_H]

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Arn, you are awful but I like you.

[CJ]

I'm not at all convinced about the FFP rules being properly enforced.

yeah there was always that worry. however having ffp in place was one reason that attracted FSG to us. I dont think they want it to become a deepest pockets contest.

To be fair, I think it was that idea that lad to Forest's decline under Clough too, over simplified.

i am sure that the players at the end of cloughs career said that, that view was now out of touch and people didnt tell him out of respect.

[Craig_H]

yeah there was always that worry. however having ffp in place was one reason that attracted FSG to us. I dont think they want it to become a deepest pockets contest.

Certainly true, but if or when it becomes clear that FFP is just a farce, i dont think FSG will just decide to sell us again.

The Man City £400m stadium naming rights deal has gone through, nothing's been said about it and that in itself proves to me that FFP is just a load of balls. Especially since City, without the worldwide fan appeal of a Madrid or Barca, wouldnt have been missed by worldwide TV broadcasters, had Uefa banned them.

[BobTheCharmer]

First year or two, he was making do with the likes of biscan and traore. His last year was dreadful.

In between that, we were consistently qualifying for the CL with our eyes closed and one of europe's top clubs.

the football was still dire on the whole, effective I'll give you. Feb-May when we came second was brilliant.

[Mattshark]

the football was still dire on the whole, effective I'll give you. Feb-May when we came second was brilliant.

I really can't agree with you there.

[cream]

First year or two, he was making do with the likes of biscan and traore. His last year was dreadful.

In between that, we were consistently qualifying for the CL with our eyes closed and one of europe's top clubs.

So why not lend that kind of time to Kenny as well. If the fans can see this approach isn't working then I'm sure Kenny and Co can see it too. Luckily, the manager and owners aren't as knee jerk as the fans.

[Muddled]

Who ever has said that Kenny needs more time without the name-calling; I agree with.

Do we need Kenny to come out and start talking of a five year plan, or are we fitting in to the modern football *fan* of wanting instant success?