Kenny isn't what we need

[barnes10]

is carroll 15m worse than torres based on the last 12 months?

[Craig_H]

A false comparison.

With Rooney and Torres you could see that the potential was there. You could see that they could be world class.

Carroll? All I can see is pedigree chum.

And paying £35million was criminal. Nobody who paid that for him deserves to be taken seriously ever again or should be allowed to buy another player ever again

A manc sticking up for the £27m signing of Rooney, worra surprise

[Craig_H]

sorry craig but thats wrong. after ten games we all knew torres was special. united knew rooney was different to most players and he proved that during his first season at old trafford. andy carrolls been here since january and so far he's proved conclusively that it was money wasted.

honestly the first time I noticed him was when newcastle destroyed us 3 1 at theirs lasr season and he was by far the best player on the pitch. it helped him no end that he was up against martin skrtel.

sorry lads hes rubbish and cant be a first eleven player. we need a top quality striker who can score twenty a season. thats not andy carroll.

After 10 games, but not when we signed him.

How about Crouch? He was very good for us, but didnt score in the first 18 games.

Carroll's started slowly but at least he's shown glimpses of what he can do. Consistency needs to follow, but some people's attitudes are symptomatic of today's society of wanting everything, to quote SSN, 'first, fast, now'. I personally find it a bit pathetic.

Some of you lot have no patience whatsoever.

[Kenneth]

Because he makes his posts without resorting to being abusive. I have no issue with people posting any opinions, however contrary. When have posters been banned for their opinions?

[Kenneth]

After 10 games, but not when we signed him.

How about Crouch? He was very good for us, but didnt score in the first 18 games.

Carroll's started slowly but at least he's shown glimpses of what he can do. Consistency needs to follow, but some people's attitudes are symptomatic of today's society of wanting everything, to quote SSN, 'first, fast, now'. I personally find it a bit pathetic.

Some of you lot have no patience whatsoever.

Not buying the idea that Torres wasn't worth £20m when we bought him, or that his lack of experience was equivalent to Carroll. He scored 80 odd goals in the top flight for athletico. Crouch had scored plenty in the PL when we went in for him. We knew they could both do it at a good level when we spent the money, but I just don't think the same can be said about Carroll. He's done too little in the game to have confidence that he has the underlying ability. Now if he'd shown Rooney's technique then it might be different. We're nor waiting for him to find form, rather waiting to see if he is a good player.

[Arn]

If we sign a player for £35m then I expect him to be good enough to deliver from game one.

It would be a difference if the player had cost £20m, then you could argue that he is one for the future but not when you pay one of the highest transfer fees ever.

A £35m player simply must be good enough to deliver from game one. He simply must be that.

Then you also expect the player to improve all the time. You can't make a £35m gamble and hope that he one day will be good enough.

You buy players like Aguero for that sort of transfer fees. Players that is already proven world class players.

[Mostar]

If we sign a player for £35m then I expect him to be good enough to deliver from game one.

It would be a difference if the player had cost £20m, then you could argue that he is one for the future but not when you pay one of the highest transfer fees ever.

A £35m player simply must be good enough to deliver from game one. He simply must be that.

Then you also expect the player to improve all the time. You can't make a £35m gamble and hope that he one day will be good enough.

You buy players like Aguero for that sort of transfer fees. Players that is already proven world class players.

I have to say that I agree about getting quality for the money but in fairness to Carroll, he had an incredible start of the last season and was playing extremely well until he got injured in late December and he is home grown (was knocking at the door of England NT at that time as well) and when you factor that FSG wanted to spend the money right away due to FFPR and to make the statement that they are different than the previous owners to avoid the potential fans revolt you get what you get.

We paid the money and there is nothing you can do about it but for me it wasn't the money so much but the type of a striker that we have gone for.

Footballers like Carroll are dying breed and when most top clubs are looking for either strikers with pace, scoring touch or rare ability to create on their own, we went for 80's, big strong type of striker that was and is imo a completely wrong choice to begin with.

He's better than what he has shown thus far but I cannot see us building a team around him cause for us to move to the top 4 clubs and stay there we need much more quality.

If there is one good thing about Carroll that's his age cause I don't think we would struggle to get 20m for him if we sell him next year or year after and for me I would start looking now to see if there is anybody decent that we can attract but I don't think we should be buying for the sake of buying.

If we cannot find a quality player that can provide contribution instantly we should wait until summer time when lot of questions and dilemmas will be answered.

[Arn]

I have to say that I agree about getting quality for the money but in fairness to Carroll, he had an incredible start of the last season and was playing extremely well until he got injured in late December and he is home grown (was knocking at the door of England NT at that time as well) and when you factor that FSG wanted to spend the money right away due to FFPR and to make the statement that they are different than the previous owners to avoid the potential fans revolt you get what you get.

We paid the money and there is nothing you can do about it but for me it wasn't the money so much but the type of a striker that we have gone for.

Footballers like Carroll are dying breed and when most top clubs are looking for either strikers with pace, scoring touch or rare ability to create on their own, we went for 80's, big strong type of striker that was and is imo a completely wrong choice to begin with.

He's better than what he has shown thus far but I cannot see us building a team around him cause for us to move to the top 4 clubs and stay there we need much more quality.

If there is one good thing about Carroll that's his age cause I don't think we would struggle to get 20m for him if we sell him next year or year after and for me I would start looking now to see if there is anybody decent that we can attract but I don't think we should be buying for the sake of buying.

If we cannot find a quality player that can provide contribution instantly we should wait until summer time when lot of questions and dilemmas will be answered.

The problem is that FSG won't be happy if a player they paid £35m for isn't playing. Either you play him in almost every game or you sell him.
If we sign a new striker then we must sell Carroll first. IMO we can't sign a new very expensive player and keep a £35m player on the bench.

[Rowan]

The problem is that FSG won't be happy if a player they paid £35m for isn't playing. Either you play him in almost every game or you sell him.

It is a moment 22 situation. If we sign a new striker then we must sell Carroll first. IMO we can't sign a new very expensive player and keep a £35m player on the bench.

It's Catch 22, Arn. But cheers you certainly made me chuckle. You obviously don't know any Alfalfa farmers then.

[Arn]

It's Catch 22, Arn. But cheers you certainly made me chuckle. You obviously don't know any Alfalfa farmers then.

I saw my mistake That is why I edited my post

[Rowan]

It was a rare moment of light heartedness and comedy in whats become a rather miserable and turgid epic. I wished you'd kept it in

[Mostar]

The problem is that FSG won't be happy if a player they paid £35m for isn't playing. Either you play him in almost every game or you sell him.
If we sign a new striker then we must sell Carroll first. IMO we can't sign a new very expensive player and keep a £35m player on the bench.

Possibly but it is Kenny's job to convince the owners to keep or not keep Carroll and if we do or don't need a new striker.

FSG have been involved with running Boston Red Sox before they purchased us and they understand that sometimes your investment, no matter how big, in the players doesn't always turn out as expected.

They also are fully aware that to succeed you have to have options and even though it may seem unlikely it is possible that they will make the money available for Kenny to buy another striker without selling Carroll first.

[Arn]

I agree with Mostar.

I think that Carroll isn't the type of striker we need and I can't see him fitting into a pass and move team playing a high tempo game.

What we need is another Suarez.

If we want to win the league then it is pace, movement and skill that we must look at. We must have that in almost every position.

Why is City top of the league and why is they scoring a lot of goals? The reasons is pace, movement and skill.

The four best clubs in the world at moment is probably Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern M and Man C.

All of them have built the squad around pace, movement and skill.

Man U for example will need buy more quick skilful players. Chelsea will also need to do it.

Pace, skill and movement is what football is all about now.

[Craig_H]

How can you use City as an example of what we need to emulate when we're clearly working with barely a quarter of their budget?

[BringbackBiscan]

We're not going to be winning the league anytime soon and it's that sort of unrealistic expectations that has people ****ting bricks when we're 3 points off 4th.

Likewise we'll not be signing Hazard, Aguero or any other world class superstar that's wanted by every rich man's plaything, so giving new signings who aren't 99 overall in fifa more then 11 league games, just to see if they may get us that 4th spot could be an idea.