Kenny isn't what we need

[The_weatherman]

Ha what would you know

You wouldnt know if it was Wembley or Wednesday*

















* yes I know its Tuesday but that was another old saying from back in the day

I'll have to look it up in the Kenny Dalglish phrasebook

[Lecter]

Suarez is a lot more than just scoring goals, he's a creator, a spark, involved in everything good that we do. Carroll is, quite frankly, ****.

Carroll is not ****

I have said Suarez is brilliant, please read my posts

His finishing is very weak though (at least it appears to be at this moment in time)

[Arn]

How many more goals would Suarez score if he had a player alongside him that did his part of winning the ball back and chasing the ball?

I can understand that Suarez miss a lot of chances because he must do so much of the work himself to get that chance.

If other players did that job instead then he could concentrate much more on his finishing. Now he must get past two or three players before he can finish the attack.

He get **** service from our other attacking players and from our central midfield.

[Craig_H]

Oh come on Arn

Seriously what City have done is fantasy spending it has nothing to do with an "excellent plan"

Remember they spunked gazillions ££££'s under Mark Hughes, before sacking him and spending tons of cash again under Mancini

A comment over the weekend sums up City (even if it was said tongue in cheek)

When asked how they would cope without Yaya Toure when he goes to the Africa Nations Cup in January, Micah Richards' reply was blunt "We'll just go out and buy someone else"

To expect us to follow that sort of spending spree in anyway shape or form is unrealistic and out of touch with the real world

Please dont compare us to City and dont expect us to emulate them in anyway, it does nothing for your argument or your credibility as a poster

Carroll was injured for the vast bulk of the first 6 months of his Anfield career so I think you have to give him a bit of a break

There is no doubt hes not worth £35 million today but those writing him off completely are jumping the gun a touch

For me the lads game has improved over the last few weeks

If hes not producing anything at the end of this season then lets address it then

Incidentally for all his brilliance I think we could also expect Suarez (a £20 million+ striker) to have a better chances/conversion rate than 11%

It isnt just Carroll that is failing to hit the mark

Good to see you posting again Lec, excellent points as usual.

[Lecter]

He isn't ****. He just don't fit into what you need from strikers these days in a top class team.

Dzeko isn't that much quicker than him but he compensates that with excellent technique and game intelligence.

As you point out, Suarez is much much more than a goalscorer. You take up some points but he is also top class winning the ball back.

That is something for example that Carroll isn't. That means when he play that Suarez must cover some of his space instead of Carroll himself covering it.

Suarez must work his socks off in defence because Carroll isn't quick or good enough doing it.

I've acknowledged Suarrez's brilliance in his play numerous times during this thread

His finishing is dreadful though (at least at this moment in time)

I dont think we can blame anyone for his finishing (or lack thereof) but himself that has nothing to do with Carroll

I actually think Carroll has been improving his all round game (with and without the ball). Dzeko is older than Carroll so to compare them now is a little bit skewed. Carroll might be able to improve his game to that level

[Dalglish]

You talk about Suarez like he's some sort of poacher type goalscorer Arn. He's nothing like that - if anything he's very much in the mould of your mate Aguero. The problem Suarez has at present is that he is incapable of putting the ball in the net from anywhere within the box. His finishing must improve.

[Arn]

Messi had the same problem two three years ago. Pep fixed that by starting to play him in the middle of their three man attack.

Now he don't need to do nearly as much of the job himself. He can concentrate much more on his finishing.

Other players win the ball back. He don't need to do that himself. The result is that he isn't tired when he should make the finishing touch.

The final result is that he now score a lot more goals.

[Lecter]

How many more goals would Suarez score if he had a player alongside him that did his part of winning the ball back and chasing the ball?

I can understand that Suarez miss a lot of chances because he must do so much of the work himself to get that chance.

If other players did that job instead then he could concentrate much more on his finishing. Now he must get past two or three players before he can finish the attack.

He get **** service from our other attacking players and from our central midfield.

It has NOTHING to do with other players

The stats show that when Suarez has a goal scoring chance he only converts 11% of them (I think that was the figure quoted over the weekend)

Thats pretty ****ing shocking for a player of his undoubted quality

As for getting **** service well again those stats quoted on the other page show that in terms of shots on goal etc.. we are right up there - its converting those chances that is letting us down

There have been numerous games this season when we have carved out chance upon chance upon chance and wasted them (Stoke, Norwich, Swansea to name a few)

The side is creating chances the players we have just arent converting them. In terms of converting chances we are probably near the bottom of the league (just outside the relegation zone)

I dont think there are ANY mitigating circumstances for Suarez missing the vast bulk of the chances that he does

[Lecter]

You talk about Suarez like he's some sort of poacher type goalscorer Arn. He's nothing like that - if anything he's very much in the mould of your mate Aguero. The problem Suarez has at present is that he is incapable of putting the ball in the net from anywhere within the box. His finishing must improve.

BINGO!!

[Dalglish]

Agreed but was there any need for:

The stats show

[Craig_H]

Suarez's finishing can be erratic at times, one hopes that as he gains more experience, he can learn to apply a little more composure and turn into a better finisher. For me, it's the only part of his game that's noticeably weak.

[Icon]

Kenny was brought in to steady the ship that Hodgson could not - and he did so, bringing a genuine lift to the club in a very short space of time.
He is (I believe) at this moment in time, the only man for the job, and probably the only manager that can still attract big names whilst we do not have CL football.

But we've lost and drawn a few now so he has to go..

[Craig_H]

Kenny was brought in to steady the ship that Hodgson could not - and he did so, bringing a genuine lift to the club in a ver short space of time.
He is (I believe) at this moment in time, the only man for the job, and probably the only manager that can still attract big names whilst we do not have CL football.

But we've lost and drawn a few now so he has to go..

Unbeaten in 8, i'll have you know

[Lecter]

Agreed but was there any need for:

I thought it more apt at re-enforcing my argument than just calling him (Suarez) a "useless chance wasting cnut" like you would have

[Lecter]

Suarez's finishing can be erratic at times, one hopes that as he gains more experience, he can learn to apply a little more composure and turn into a better finisher. For me, it's the only part of his game that's noticeably weak.