Kenny isn't what we need

[Arn]

He doesnt HAVE to do that work though. He drops deep a lot of goes on mad runs but very rarely passes the bloody ball. If he stayed in position a bit more then he'd get more goals. Sounds like an oversimplification but there you go. He should be concentrating on scoring not dropping deep all the time.

And as for this partnership of Tevez and Suarez thing, yes I'm sure it would work but it's not really going to happen is it? We're not going to get too far in an analysis of our current issues if we start looking at what hypothetical formations would do are we?

Our current squad is good, the trouble at the moment is Kenny's fairly rigid formation and substitution issues coupled with the inability of any our players to hit a cow's arse with a banjo. The number of chances we are creating is there for all to see (and I got that without resorting to OptaMarkingFactsSTATS.com Lec ) but for some reason we're not putting them away.

So who of our other players is good and creative enough to do that job? Maxi probably but he isn't playing. A player like Carroll certainly isn't.

There is a reason to why Suarez himself must do that job. Our other players isn't good enough to do it.

Look at the last game. He wasn't fit enough to do the donkey work himself and the result was that he got less chances to score. Other players didn't help him out. They didn't step up. Other players didn't help him winning the ball back or chasing the ball. The result was that Swansea could play around the ball at the back without any problem.

[The_weatherman]

He doesnt HAVE to do that work though. He drops deep a lot of goes on mad runs but very rarely passes the bloody ball. If he stayed in position a bit more then he'd get more goals. Sounds like an oversimplification but there you go. He should be concentrating on scoring not dropping deep all the time. - Actually I think Suarez is among the best passers in the league if you look at strikers.

And as for this partnership of Tevez and Suarez thing, yes I'm sure it would work but it's not really going to happen is it? We're not going to get too far in an analysis of our current issues if we start looking at what hypothetical formations would do are we?

Our current squad is good, the trouble at the moment is Kenny's fairly rigid formation and substitution issues coupled with the inability of any our players to hit a cow's arse with a banjo. The number of chances we are creating is there for all to see (and I got that without resorting to OptaMarkingFactsSTATS.com Lec ) but for some reason we're not putting them away. - Almost agree, I do think the squad is promising but the the first team is lacking, IMO you are otherwise spot on.

[Roboklopp]

Craig, you know you have a point, but quoting the same post twice & accusing him of repeating himself is very harsh...

[Craig_H]

Craig, you know you have a point, but quoting the same post twice & accusing him of repeating himself is very harsh...

Genuinely thought it was another post. Christ knows most of them look the same Apologies to Arn and all concerned.

[Arn]

That changed as soon as players that work hard in defence entered the pitch, Bellamy and Kuyt.

They won the ball back and chased the ball much better.

The result? Suarez started to create more goal scoring chances. Other players did the first part of the job. Suarez himself did the second and third part but at least other players did the first part.

[Craig_H]

Arn, dont you think that people like Lucas do a good job of winning the ball back?

Even Agger and Skrtel did pretty well with that against Swansea, on occasion.

Half the time we win it back in our own half, so it cant always be Suarez doing it.

[Arn]

Arn, dont you think that people like Lucas do a good job of winning the ball back?

Even Agger and Skrtel did pretty well with that against Swansea, on occasion.

Half the time we win it back in our own half, so it cant always be Suarez doing it.

They do their job but as you later point out that is in our own half. Do Carroll do it in the attacking half? Do Downing do it in the attacking half? Do Henderson do it in the attacking half?

If we don't win the ball back earlier then we will almost all the time be up against an organized defence.

[Craig_H]

So the solution is to teach Carroll/Downing/Henderson etc to press the opposition better, higher up the park.

[Dalglish]

So the solution is to teach Carroll/Downing/Henderson etc to press the opposition better, higher up the park.

If we played Henderson in his natural position he'd do that and we'd be much better off for it

[Craig_H]

If we played Henderson in his natural position he'd do that and we'd be much better off for it

True enough, but it means Adam or Gerrard (or both, in a 442) misses out, because Lucas is nailed on to play and rightly so.

[cream]

If we played Henderson in his natural position he'd do that and we'd be much better off for it

What is his natural position and is he good enough to play there?

[Lecter]

He can be an excellent poacher if his team mates allow him to be it.

His current conversion rates seem to disprove this

The FACT is Suarez is missing a huge number of chances

Some created by himself and many created by his teammates

[RichC]

we create plenty of chances at the moment, we're not leaking goals it's all about the finishing both Suarez and Carroll need to up their game in that department

I mean in the first couple of minutes against Norwich we hit the bar and hit the framework a total of 3 times in this match - Carroll hit the bar in the first 10 minutes from a good cross from Downing against Swansea - it's simply the finishing isn't good enough.

Blaming work loads, tiredness etc....... on why players are missing is complete rubbish, it's about composure and working hard in practice to take these chances.

[Lecter]

As you often do, you're vastly over simplifying things. Firstly, Suarez's less than clinical finishing isnt just down to 'tiredness', he simply needs to work on his finishing.

Secondly, if you're going to stick him in the box as a poacher, he'd be hugely reliant on someone doing the creative bit, to put the chance in front of him. At the moment, the one doing most of that stuff is Suarez himself. Why take away our most potent creative force and lump him in the six yard box?

Keep Suarez as he is and just get him doing some extra hours on his finishing/composure in front of goal.

And you've banged on about the formation about 84,000 times now, we get it, stop ramming the same point down our throats over and over and over again, it's incredibly tedious.

I still fail to see how changing the formation helps us to put away the numerous chances we are already making in a system that "isnt working"

[cream]

we create plenty of chances at the moment, we're not leaking goals it's all about the finishing both Suarez and Carroll need to up their game in that department

I mean in the first couple of minutes against Norwich we hit the bar and hit the framework a total of 3 times in this match - Carroll hit the bar in the first 10 minutes from a good cross from Downing against Swansea - it's simply the finishing isn't good enough.

Blaming work loads, tiredness etc....... on why players are missing is complete rubbish, it's about composure and working hard in practice to take these chances.

That is not the only problem. We are getting outplayed by relegation fodder as well.