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Cheers...almost as good as constant IAFN comments and tedious bald jokes, innit?

I'm quite happy enough that you feel defending Purslow is worthy of your time but I don't think stereotyping a lot of your fellow posters paints you in a good light.

Thanks for the feedback on some of my posts. I value your contribution and will really be mindful of it in future.





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Lucas and Insua for 13million-ish.

that has to be great business if true.

Both squad players at best, and as much as people through youtube clips of the great box to box midfielder at gremio....well its hardly the PL.

Lucas has played 100+ games for liverpool.......and yes he is yong, but then he is average to.

I think both him and insua were overplayed last year and suffered for it. I think it would be better to sell as it would be seen as a positive move by most of the liverpool fans and would give Roy some brownie points too!!

I think people badly under rate both Lucas and Insua and I'm not convinced that there are reasonable replacements on the market for less than the values that are being talked about for them.

Our squad was too small last season and if nothing else the sales of these two would weaken that further. Added to the fact that both are improving and so may prove to be more valuable than they were previously and Roy has had no chance to form his own views of the players (although actually the only evidence we have is an interview with Roy where he praises Insua). I think anyone assigning Roy brownie points for their sales will be far from the truth.

I agree that Insua and Lucas had to take too much responsibility last year but I'm not sure they were over played. The problem seemed to me to be the form and fitness of the leaders in our team who should have been helping them. Actually there may have been times when Insua could have been taken out of the firing line but the problem was at least as much the fact fans were blaming all defensive errors on him as it was the number of errors he was actually making.

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I'm quite happy enough that you feel defending Purslow is worthy of your time but I don't think stereotyping a lot of your fellow posters paints you in a good light.

There's defending him, and then there's not falling for the SOS line of how evil he is...back before he stopped talking to him, a lot of them were convinced he was put in place by RBS...now he's G&H's boy, and a cunt to boot...

and then there's this dislike of Broughton they seem to have, which seems to stem from the fact that he doesn't want to meet them...and why should he?

And i think, if you read through, the stereotype has already been made by some of the poster's themselves...dwarf, midget, Cecil...even Merlboo refers to him as such, and then wonders why he won't answer the questions...surely SOS realise that Purslow will have people reading the forums and will know that there's no point in meeting and answering to a group that already have you hung, drawn and quartered?

[DannyMan2006]

Lucas and Insua are not good enough to be first choice.

Yes it would be useful to keep them as some kind of back up but I would imagine that the situation is such that if we didn't sell them we wouldn't be able to afford to have anyone for them to be back up to!!

So if the choice is keep Lucas and Insua as first choice or sell them both and get new first choice players in then I would certainly go for the latter option!

The fuss about Purslow going ahead with the talks (if true I must add) doesn't concern me a great deal either to be honest. We didn't have a manager. We had offers for some of our lesser players. What should have happened?

If it had been Torres and Gerrard I doubt the same situation would have occured

I agree with all of this.

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It was Purslow's decision to part with Rafa, then wait until the 1st of July before appointing Hodgson. In that line of thought, it would have been better to wait until the new manager is in before taking footballing decisions. Until proven otherwise, I don't think Purslow qualifies as being good enough to take them himself.

[DannyMan2006]

It was Purslow's decision to part with Rafa, then wait until the 1st of July before appointing Hodgson. In that line of thought, it would have been better to wait until the new manager is in before taking footballing decisions. Until proven otherwise, I don't think Purslow qualifies as being good enough to take them himself.

I don't get the comments by you and others. Some of the people on thsi site seem to think that all football matters in world football are made by the people best qualified to do so. Far from it.

Who do you think hires and fires the managers? That will be the chairman who know nothing about football, or at least as much as Purslow. Every club in world football has a person making decisions about the club despite them not being qualified to do so.

And that includes players coming in and out on the continent. Yossi, has been clearly shown, wanted to leave. Insua and Lucas are both average players that need to be improved on. I think IF Purslow has made the decisions, he's been pretty much right on the money.

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I think people badly under rate both Lucas and Insua and I'm not convinced that there are reasonable replacements on the market for less than the values that are being talked about for them.

Our squad was too small last season and if nothing else the sales of these two would weaken that further. Added to the fact that both are improving and so may prove to be more valuable than they were previously and Roy has had no chance to form his own views of the players (although actually the only evidence we have is an interview with Roy where he praises Insua). I think anyone assigning Roy brownie points for their sales will be far from the truth.

I agree that Insua and Lucas had to take too much responsibility last year but I'm not sure they were over played. The problem seemed to me to be the form and fitness of the leaders in our team who should have been helping them. Actually there may have been times when Insua could have been taken out of the firing line but the problem was at least as much the fact fans were blaming all defensive errors on him as it was the number of errors he was actually making.

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I don't get the comments by you and others. Some of the people on thsi site seem to think that all football matters in world football are made by the people best qualified to do so. Far from it.

Who do you think hires and fires the managers? That will be the chairman who know nothing about football, or at least as much as Purslow. Every club in world football has a person making decisions about the club despite them not being qualified to do so.

And that includes players coming in and out on the continent. Yossi, has been clearly shown, wanted to leave. Insua and Lucas are both average players that need to be improved on. I think IF Purslow has made the decisions, he's been pretty much right on the money.

What was that great Shankly quote? Directors are only there to sign the cheques.

Directors shouldn't have their say in footballing matters, it's as simple as that. When it comes to judge a manager's sucess (or lack of), then it's pretty straightforward - it depends on the strategy and whether it is being based on winning trophies or making money.

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What was that great Shankly quote? Directors are only there to sign the cheques.

Directors shouldn't have their say in footballing matters, it's as simple as that. When it comes to judge a manager's sucess (or lack of), then it's pretty straightforward - it depends on the strategy and whether it is being based on winning trophies or making money.

Shanks managed in a completely different era to todays, where football was all about what happens on the pitch, and money matters were not the big issue they are today...however, in today's world, nothing stands still...Rafa wanted to go (or his agent certainly did nothing to down play the Inter link, at any rate), the club (and possibly some of the senior players) wanted him gone...so off he went. However, the footballing world didn't stop, so we couldn't just pretend that the next few weeks never happened...we had squad players linked with moves, so we couldn't just wait for a manager to be appointed...and by all accounts, Roy kept us waiting whilst he was on WC duties, so someone had to greenlight the moves of fringe players...some might say expendable players (altho i personally would have liked to see them stay).

[DannyMan2006]

What was that great Shankly quote? Directors are only there to sign the cheques.

Directors shouldn't have their say in footballing matters, it's as simple as that. When it comes to judge a manager's sucess (or lack of), then it's pretty straightforward - it depends on the strategy and whether it is being based on winning trophies or making money.

But they do. Who decides to hire and fire a manager otherwise?

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There's defending him, and then there's not falling for the SOS line of how evil he is...back before he stopped talking to him, a lot of them were convinced he was put in place by RBS...now he's G&H's boy, and a cunt to boot...

and then there's this dislike of Broughton they seem to have, which seems to stem from the fact that he doesn't want to meet them...and why should he?

And i think, if you read through, the stereotype has already been made by some of the poster's themselves...dwarf, midget, Cecil...even Merlboo refers to him as such, and then wonders why he won't answer the questions...surely SOS realise that Purslow will have people reading the forums and will know that there's no point in meeting and answering to a group that already have you hung, drawn and quartered?

I doubt Purslow has any interest in meeting them anyway given what happened the first time (and last I think).

When SOS released those minutes I was entirely unsure who was telling the truth. However, since then, everything I've heard from and about Purslow and from those who work with him, from his assurances about Benitez to the comments attributed to Hodgson about ongoing transfers, indicate to me a man who is not to be trusted for a moment. So, despite my willingness to give him a chance when he was appointed and my favourable early impressions (as can probably be found in my posting history, not that anyone, including me, should give a sh*t ), I have come round to thinking SOS were telling the truth about what he said at that meeting.

And when you think about it, who is going to be more adept at spinning stories to suit their agendas - a group of fans with the strategic intellect of Red Robbo and the tactical nous of Kevin Keegan or a smooth and silky suit used to the backstabbing politics of the banking world?

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Lucas & Insua gone =

depends on the siutation....... if we were in a situation where we were replacing these players with people like Schweinsteiger and Lahm then i think everyone on here would probably be in agreement...............

however, possibly replacing these players with Paul Scharner and Figueroa.....then this might be a different matter.........

[DannyMan2006]

depends on the siutation....... if we were in a situation where we were replacing these players with people like Schweinsteiger and Lahm then i think everyone on here would probably be in agreement...............

however, possibly replacing these players with Paul Scharner and Figueroa.....then this might be a different matter.........

I'm afraid Frank he is FAR better than Insua at present.

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I doubt Purslow has any interest in meeting them anyway given what happened the first time (and last I think).

When SOS released those minutes I was entirely unsure who was telling the truth. However, since then, everything I've heard from and about Purslow and from those who work with him, from his assurances about Benitez to the comments attributed to Hodgson about ongoing transfers, indicate to me a man who is not to be trusted for a moment. So, despite my willingness to give him a chance when he was appointed and my favourable early impressions (as can probably be found in my posting history, not that anyone, including me, should give a sh*t ), I have come round to thinking SOS were telling the truth about what he said at that meeting.

And when you think about it, who is going to be more adept at spinning stories to suit their agendas - a group of fans with the strategic intellect of Red Robbo and the tactical nous of Kevin Keegan or a smooth and silky suit used to the backstabbing politics of the banking world?

Personally, the minutes thing isn't really the be all and end all...both sides screwed up there, altho i get the feeling this may have been what Purslow wanted, a reason to not meet them, and they played straight into his hands.

But all the rest, it's all hearsay and conjecture, designed to drag him through the mud...all one side of a story, so to speak...i think there was more to it, especially with the Inter link and how quickly Rafa walked into that job...but he was on holiday...bet his agent wasn't tho...

And your second para kinda sums up why i ain't pro-SOS...i want the americans gone, i just don't think they are helping the situation at all...blind leading the blinded there.