Jamie Carragher

[GorbyPeacePrize]

That probably sounded funny in your head.

As for your 'link' - you could very easily just say what the problem is, even if you DID post it before. But you choose not to. Obviously very convinced by the validity of your own opinion...

You've asked me for my opinions and I've guided you to where they are (and also commented on how disingenuous you are) but it's still not good enough for you What do you want me to do, spoon-feed you like an 18month-old baby?

[GorbyPeacePrize]

what a stupid thing to say. a Player who has played more than 600 games for the club and performed in the toughest stages is not a legend. You sir have proved that you are a stupid child.

It just demonstrates how far standards have fallen that a player so limited can make all those appearances. He wouldn't get anywhere near a side that routinely challenged for the League Title.

[GorbyPeacePrize]

Now is this behind the scenes scenario 100% fact or is there a bit of poetic license here?

*taps nose*

[Craig_H]

You're worse than Duncan Oldham.

[GorbyPeacePrize]

You're worse than Duncan Oldham.

Now I know how you have got up to over 40K posts. What a complete tit. I answer all of your queries to me, and debunk your 'myth busting' bollocks and this is all you've got left.

When are you going over to the "Jamie Carragher Will Be On Soccer Saturday" thread? You seemed a bit uppity that I was a tardy with a reply to one your 'genuine questions'. Look, here is a link I am now spoon-feeding you: http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/show...&postcount=107

[Craig_H]

Ah, the old 'loads of posts' chestnut. How original. The last refuge of the damned monomaniac.

[GorbyPeacePrize]

Ah, the old 'loads of posts' chestnut. How original. The last refuge of the damned monomaniac.

Is that a 'no' then?

[barnes10]

So you would've turned it down then? Cos you ignored that question.

its not the point he's making tho is it.

the issue is the screwing around behind the scenes. you're spot on that we dont know exactly what happened but we do know a few things:

Rafa wasnt offering him a contract as basically, his legs have gone
NESV wouldnt have offered the same contract
Timing of the contract being immediately before takeover completes smells fishy given NESVs view on older players
JC refusing to play where rafa wants him as yet doing just that for Roy a year later
JC & SG moaning to Owen about 'everything changing'
LFC players sounding out Danny Murphy about Roy
Purslow going from backing to sacking rafa within 12 months during which time we finish 2nd with some absolutely cracking football
Houllier claiming publicly that one of the senior players texted him about Rafa not beating him - clearly a '**** you' to rafa after he was sacked. This had to be JC or SG.

Bottom line is that JC got a contract that neither Rafa nor NESV approved of. Himself and purlsow pushed that through - even stevie wonder can see that. Do you agree?

So sure, if lfc offered any of us 90k a week we'd accept it. Especially if we had been upto devious games behind the scenes to get it. The issue is the deviousness to get it not that he actually signed the contract.

Edit: The alternative to 'devious games' view is that purslow, entirely of his on volition decides to offer the contract extension, days before NESV take over - or even say at roys request/with his approval. so I'm happy to say it wasnt all JC being some machiavellian evil master but rather one of a handful of people that have ****ed about with the club.

[dww]

Rafa wasnt offering him a contract as basically, his legs have gone

Do we know this? We are fairly sure that Rafa wasn't offering him the longer deal he wanted but we have no information about why. For example Arsenal only offer one year deals to players over 30 and Rafa might have felt that was the way to go for us. Meaning he might not have felt his legs have gone but that they might.

Personally I think that our defense has been better when Carragher is in it this season. To some extent that might reflect the levels of the other defenders more than being great praise but I think he still has a lot to offer.

[RichC]

Do we know this? We are fairly sure that Rafa wasn't offering him the longer deal he wanted but we have no information about why. For example Arsenal only offer one year deals to players over 30 and Rafa might have felt that was the way to go for us. Meaning he might not have felt his legs have gone but that they might.

Personally I think that our defense has been better when Carragher is in it this season. To some extent that might reflect the levels of the other defenders more than being great praise but I think he still has a lot to offer.

lot's of guesswork here I think!

I actually agree with the United and Arsenal way of doing these contracts, keeps the players hungry and allows things if need be to be changed in a respectful way for both player and club - look at Giggs 37 now and still can do it at the top level.

[barnes10]

Do we know this? We are fairly sure that Rafa wasn't offering him the longer deal he wanted but we have no information about why. For example Arsenal only offer one year deals to players over 30 and Rafa might have felt that was the way to go for us. Meaning he might not have felt his legs have gone but that they might.

Personally I think that our defense has been better when Carragher is in it this season. To some extent that might reflect the levels of the other defenders more than being great praise but I think he still has a lot to offer.

ok happy to call it as you've described it. that he wasnt offered what he wanted but he then ends up getting what he wants before the takeover completes. thats basically my point.

[Redspin]

what a stupid thing to say. a Player who has played more than 600 games for the club and performed in the toughest stages is not a legend. You sir have proved that you are a stupid child.

Playing a lot of games does not make him a legend.

He started in the first team as a midfielder and wasn't good enough. He played both full-back positions and wasn't good enough. Then he had a few decent but unspectacular seasons at CB

For about three years he's been a slow, plodding, hoofing liability and is certainly not good enough to be in the first team, other than as back-up

I've seen may great players over half a century in Liverpool's teams that deserve to be called legends. Carragher isn't within light years of deserving such an accolade. He's not even one of our best ever centre-backs, much less one of our best ever players

[Redspin]

You are also an idiot with all due respect. where are the facts in all of what you say ? you love Rafa so much so you should be able to provide facts like he likes to do.
We had good times under Rafa but ultimately he lead to his own downfall. You will counter probably with saying he lead us to our highest league finish blah blah. but The Fact is we Lost the league that season when it was in our hands because of his stubbornness and negative approach. He alienated himself from everybody and lost his job.

stupid cunts with all due respect

So can you explain to me in simple terms how, if Rafa had a "negative approach", we ended up as the Premier League's highest goalscorers that season? I'd really like to try to get my head around that seeming paradox. Maybe your towering intellect can get to the nub of the issue

[Redspin]

Ah, the old 'loads of posts' chestnut. How original. The last refuge of the damned monomaniac.

To be fair, your record, which is equivalent to posting once a day for 118 years is a tad disturbing. I mean, how on earth do you fit your paper round in?

[cled the red]

You still don't get it do you

He wasn't offered a new deal. Rafa didn't offer him a new deal. Rafa had the power to decide if Carra would stay or not. Purslow didn't had that power. Only after Rafa had gone then Purslow got the power to offer Carra a new deal.
If Rafa had stayed then it wouldn't been a contract offer to turn down.

The ONLY chance Carra had was to get rid of Rafa or else he would have been finished. That is one thing you never will understand or agree with.

You even defends the way he fixed his new contract and that is laughable to say the least. Even when he acts like a total egoistic idiot you defend him. When he piss all over the club you defend him. Totally laughable.

Carra is player that shouldn't play for us because the club and the manager didn't want him. Now he plays for us only because Purslow wanted him to do it.

I see Arn's been sitting in the LFC boardroom again and is privvy to this information!!